The truth is that we know nothing about how these things are supposed to work.
How would you end the 13th Doctor's story?
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Modern audiences don't necessarily register the 13 lives limit - and it was retconned as early as The Five Doctors, when the Timeys offer the Master a whole new life cycle - thus indicating that it's a technological thing conferred on suitable people, rather than a biological trait.
^ And if it's technological and imposed by the Timelords, then presumably since they're no longer around, there's no longer any restrictions on regenerations.
Erm, no, surely if there's no Time Lords, there's no way to get any more regenerations.
My theory on Regenerations.
When a timelord mommy and timelord daddy love each other... Ok, I will skip ahead.
When the "egg" is released it actually contains 13 egg cells, then 13 sperm fertilize it. One of the eggs starts growing (the one that was fertilized first), the other ones stay in "stasis" and a hard radiation proof calcified covering covers them up. (like a bacterial cyst) Later as the fetus develops these cells form a "regeneration organ" that also produces the energy for regeneration.
When a timelord is dying a chemical message from the brain activates the organ, one of the calcified cells is released and the regeneration energy rushes into it causing it to burst and multiply rapidly and replace the all of the old cells in the body.
What 10 did was interrupt the process before the cyst broke by channeling the energy into his handy spare hand. The organ probably took a few days to "build up" a new regeneration charge after 10 emptied it into his hand.
The regeneration organ normally produces a low level of energy with some being stored up and the rest accounting for their enhanced healing ability.
This is how the master could have "stole" the regenerations from the Doctor, steal the organ, implant it, and send the chemical signal with a drug to induce regeneration. The timelords could have the tech to bioengineer a new organ using donated eggs/sperm from another timelord. This could be what they were referring to in the 5 docs.
When a timelord mommy and timelord daddy love each other... Ok, I will skip ahead.
When the "egg" is released it actually contains 13 egg cells, then 13 sperm fertilize it. One of the eggs starts growing (the one that was fertilized first), the other ones stay in "stasis" and a hard radiation proof calcified covering covers them up. (like a bacterial cyst) Later as the fetus develops these cells form a "regeneration organ" that also produces the energy for regeneration.
When a timelord is dying a chemical message from the brain activates the organ, one of the calcified cells is released and the regeneration energy rushes into it causing it to burst and multiply rapidly and replace the all of the old cells in the body.
What 10 did was interrupt the process before the cyst broke by channeling the energy into his handy spare hand. The organ probably took a few days to "build up" a new regeneration charge after 10 emptied it into his hand.
The regeneration organ normally produces a low level of energy with some being stored up and the rest accounting for their enhanced healing ability.
This is how the master could have "stole" the regenerations from the Doctor, steal the organ, implant it, and send the chemical signal with a drug to induce regeneration. The timelords could have the tech to bioengineer a new organ using donated eggs/sperm from another timelord. This could be what they were referring to in the 5 docs.
Well, that depends. Is is that infinite regenerations occur naturally but are blocked by Time Lords? If so, surely take away Timelords and you take away the blockage (for want of a better word).
Of course, if you need the TIme Lords to actively lift the blockage, then I agree, their absence prevents further regenerations.
But I think that ambiguity certainly allows writers to say 'No Time Lords, there ya go, we don't have to stop at Doctor 13.'
Well whenever extra rengerations being given is mentioned, it's said the Time Lords grant them. I doubt Time Lords can rengerate infinitely, but the presence of others existing makes them go "ulp, no, hang on. 13. Time's up I guess". That's just how you'd like it to work so the Doctor isn't limited to 13. There are cleverer ways around it though, which could make for interesting stories. If they're stuck for one, I've got one.
Agreed.
And I find it funny people are just now working up to this moment in the thread, when it was already said by G2309 here:
No, I definitely agree with you.
The Doctor is not immortal. Or at least he shouldn't be. People die all the time; why should he get to cheat death? Show that the Doctor is just a normal man (albeit one who can regenerate 12 times) and that he can die like any other. He's not some special case who gets to live forever.
And as for that one scene in "The Five Doctors" where the Master is offered a new life cycle: Maybe the Timelords were just bullshitting him. Meaning, they offered a new set of regenerations but had no intention of actually delivering it (not that the Master would have believed them anyway). So it doesn't have to be actually possible to give a Timelord a new regeneration cycle...
Side note: Has it ever been covered, in print or onscreen, what can constitute 'final death' for a Timelord? Meaning, what does it take to permanently kill one, short of using up all allotted regenerations? I mean, that news reporter guy in "The Deadly Assassin" was simply stabbed in the back, yet we never saw him regenerate - and we've seen Timelords regenerate from far worse wounds than that. (I suppose he could have regenerated offscreen though.)
Any takers on my theories? Just wondering.
I have another one.
That is the regenerations are tied to the eye of harmony, and since the doctor is entrusted to hold it in his tardis he is now afforded unlimited regeneration, remember that the master in the "Deadly Assassin" wanted to open it to gain more power, what if the good doc already has the eye????
Either that or he gained more when he "sucked the energy of the time vortex" out of Rose in the parting of the Ways.
I have another one.
That is the regenerations are tied to the eye of harmony, and since the doctor is entrusted to hold it in his tardis he is now afforded unlimited regeneration, remember that the master in the "Deadly Assassin" wanted to open it to gain more power, what if the good doc already has the eye????
Either that or he gained more when he "sucked the energy of the time vortex" out of Rose in the parting of the Ways.
I'd have it where, to save existence and actually wipe out the Daleks for the final time, The Doctor chooses to overwrite his own timeline. Final smile from the Last Doctor, he flips the switch, and everything goes white.
Slowly, it fades into a view of the stars, pans down to Earth, zooms down into a nighttime scrapyard, past a small sign that reads "76 Totters Lane", to finally come to a stop as we see/hear the TARDIS landing. After a moment, the doors open and a CGI William Hartnell and Susan come out...
"Where are we, grandfather?"
"Oh my child, this planet is called 'Earth'."
"Is it dangerous?"
"Hmmm? Dangerous? I don't know, my dear.....I've never been here before. Let's find out, shall we?"
So the Doctor would be in a closed loop, is that what you mean? Forced to repeat his entire life cycle - relive all his regenerations for eternity? I like that idea.
I'd have it where, to save existence and actually wipe out the Daleks for the final time, The Doctor chooses to overwrite his own timeline. Final smile from the Last Doctor, he flips the switch, and everything goes white.
Slowly, it fades into a view of the stars, pans down to Earth, zooms down into a nighttime scrapyard, past a small sign that reads "76 Totters Lane", to finally come to a stop as we see/hear the TARDIS landing. After a moment, the doors open and a CGI William Hartnell and Susan come out...
"Where are we, grandfather?"
"Oh my child, this planet is called 'Earth'."
"Is it dangerous?"
"Hmmm? Dangerous? I don't know, my dear.....I've never been here before. Let's find out, shall we?"
So the Doctor would be in a closed loop, is that what you mean? Forced to repeat his entire life cycle - relive all his regenerations for eternity? I like that idea.
I don't think that's what The meant (at least I don't think so) I think he was talking more of a its the end, but not the end flashback kind of thing-although I like the idea of the Doctor's life being a closed loop as well)
No, he was exactly right. The whole point is that The Doctor erases his timeline (the entire series) and it starts over again. If the show were to continue (which is wouldn't / couldn't), the new timeline would, no doubt, have significant changes....not the least of which is that he eliminated the Daleks from ever being created. Thus, everything old is new again, and the Doctor's life is a loop. Except, the second go-around, we don't know what will happen.
At least, that's my idea. I'm open to something better.
At least, that's my idea. I'm open to something better.
Double post.
Continuing the "end, or is it" theme.
After achieveing his pyrrhic victory over whoever the doctor, clearly dieing finally returns to a very battle-scared tardis and collapses. The lights in the tardis are dimming and flashing, his eyes closes, his breathing slows, his hearts starting audibly beating slower, one stops, a lone beat continues to slow the tardis lights pulsing in time with it, until finally it too stops. Darkness falls we fade to black
Suddenly the tardis springs back to life and begins to de-materialise.
It appears moving at speed eratically above a familiar looking planet before tumbling at great speed throught the upper atmosphere, a red arrow of fire igniting the atmosphere itself, the planet burns and quickly fades.
The camera pans back tranposing a blackened planet against the harshness of space, as it does a burst of regeneration energy engulfs the planet itself. Gallifrey is reborn.
The end.
After achieveing his pyrrhic victory over whoever the doctor, clearly dieing finally returns to a very battle-scared tardis and collapses. The lights in the tardis are dimming and flashing, his eyes closes, his breathing slows, his hearts starting audibly beating slower, one stops, a lone beat continues to slow the tardis lights pulsing in time with it, until finally it too stops. Darkness falls we fade to black
Suddenly the tardis springs back to life and begins to de-materialise.
It appears moving at speed eratically above a familiar looking planet before tumbling at great speed throught the upper atmosphere, a red arrow of fire igniting the atmosphere itself, the planet burns and quickly fades.
The camera pans back tranposing a blackened planet against the harshness of space, as it does a burst of regeneration energy engulfs the planet itself. Gallifrey is reborn.
The end.
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I've had this notion for a couple of years now that the Doctor can't die until he's born.
That is to say...
I think that something the Doctor does in the TARDIS will one day cause the End of the Universe. Big Crunch, whatever; something will cause it all to be destroyed.
BUT...
That the destruction of the Universe will itself end up being the cause of its origin. By destroying the Universe, the Doctor will cause the Big Bang, and be himself responsible for both the death and birth of the Universe.
And I have this notion that he basically ends up clinging to life for billions of years until, finally, one year, a little Time Tot is born on a planet called Gallifrey who will one day decide to re-name himself after those who make people better. Once the First Doctor is finally born, the Last Doctor can die.
So that, the end result is, throughout the whole of time, from beginning to end -- somewhere, somehow, there's always the Doctor.
After all -- a cosmos without the Doctor scarcely bears thinking about.
That is to say...
I think that something the Doctor does in the TARDIS will one day cause the End of the Universe. Big Crunch, whatever; something will cause it all to be destroyed.
BUT...
That the destruction of the Universe will itself end up being the cause of its origin. By destroying the Universe, the Doctor will cause the Big Bang, and be himself responsible for both the death and birth of the Universe.
And I have this notion that he basically ends up clinging to life for billions of years until, finally, one year, a little Time Tot is born on a planet called Gallifrey who will one day decide to re-name himself after those who make people better. Once the First Doctor is finally born, the Last Doctor can die.
So that, the end result is, throughout the whole of time, from beginning to end -- somewhere, somehow, there's always the Doctor.
After all -- a cosmos without the Doctor scarcely bears thinking about.
I just figured out a workaround for the limit. The Doctor becomes the TARDIS. The "expanded universe" has already introduced the notion of sentient TARDIS's, and even a companion who became a TARDIS. So why not the Doctor? And to make the mind-fix complete, Doctor-TARDIS lands in Totters Lane in 1963 and replaces the TARDIS that was there just as Susan arrives home from school. Full circle!
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I still like the idea of the Doctor's existence being a closed loop that never ends - that once the 13th Doctor dies, he regenerates into the 1st and it starts over again, just like before. "All of this happened before, all of this will happen again..." 
What would be even better is if this happens with the Doctor keeping his full knowledge intact and *knowing* he is doomed to repeat everything he has ever done, for eternity. Kind of like 12:01 P.M..
What would be even better is if this happens with the Doctor keeping his full knowledge intact and *knowing* he is doomed to repeat everything he has ever done, for eternity. Kind of like 12:01 P.M..
Given R.A Salvatore received death threats for being the one to kill off Chewbacca the walking carpet, i dread to think what could happen to anyone who was given the task of permanently killing The Doctor.
