well, yes, to preserve their kind. But, I found the line to be rather appropriate given the conversation.
Yes, of course some humans would prefer captivity to death but not all humans are like that.
How would the Federation have treated Jem'Hadar prisoners of war?
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Yes, of course some humans would prefer captivity to death but not all humans are like that.
Yeah, Klingon law and tradition is seemingly wracked with with apparent inconsistencies.
There are surely some intricacies that totally make sense to Klingons. I suspect it has something to do with "Surrendering and willfully putting down arms" vs. "Being forcibly taken prisoner and continuing to fight against your captors". If a Klingon was simply overpowered, taken into custody, and they spend their energy fighting or trying to to escape... they maintain their honor. If they actively surrender and allow themselves to be taken willingly, dishonor.
I would imagine there are some. I personally envision something closer to a hands-off penal colony, the Federation basically drops them into a secure area, provides supplies and just kind of leaves them alone.
It's possible that in the situation, they may just kind of... stop. They're captured. Their life is over, it's meaningless. They can never go back to the Dominion. They become useless shells of a soldier. So they just kind of wait to die.
Yeah it is a bit sad we didn't get to explore that more. It was interesting that the Jem Hadar had developed different cultural groups.
I actually think Gamma Jem Hadar would be "easier" to capture and hold. Alpha Jem's were "young" and felt the need to prove themselves. Gamma Jem's seemed to be slightly more pragmatic.
They may think so, but those aren't the Dominion guidelines, at least according to Keevan in The Magnificent Ferengi:
Also depends on the circumstances. They refused Worf to die, but decided in Q(uinn)'s favor on that very issue, even when they advised him to not immediately kill himself).
Crusher was the one who refused to let Worf die. Picard was arguing (and rightly, I might add) that it was Worf's decision, not hers. Probably the only reason Picard didn't try to use hus authority over her was because in medical matters, the CMO has the final say.
(This is ultimately why Crusher is my least favorite doctor in the franchise... she was imposing her values onto a patient and trying to force a decision that he was against.)
Worf's case was a cultural issue, which also started to step into freedom of choice territory. In Quinn's case, it was literally the right to self-determination and choosing, from start to finish.
Yes... the Vorta see themselves as more valuable. The Dominion writ large doesn't care.
I get a sense than the Vorta would unquestionably sacrifice their life for a Founder directly, or if ordered by a Founder directly... otherwise... they will rules lawyer in their minds to make the case that its better for them to live. Likewise, they will sacrifice however many Jem Hadar as necessary to save themselves.
That's her initial stance, yes. But she does acquiesce to Picard's argument that for Worf a less than 100% recovery is not a life worth living, a journey he can't make, and that therefore, he should have the right to undergo the genotronic procedure, even if it isn't 'good medicine', but a 'try or die' approach.
(So, yes, I was wrong in my previous post about 'them not letting Worf die')
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It's almost like an entire species of sentient beings with free will does not universally subscribe to a single set of beliefs or something. Gasp!
We see a Klingon exobiologist in "The Drumhead", a Klingon scientist in "Suspicions", and a Klingon restauranteur in "Melora". If they have such a wide range of occupations, they should have a wide variety of outlooks on life. A homogeneous culture can exist (the Jem'Hadar are an example), but it can't be self sustaining.
And even in the case of the Jem'Hadar, that enforced homogeneity is constantly being strained. Personally, I think there's probably a lot more diversity of thought within Jem'Hadar culture than we're giving them credit for having -- and to the extent that there is homogeneity of behavior, it's probably in significant part a function of how short a Jem'Hadar lifespan is, what with 20-year-olds being considered "honored elders." If Jem'Hadar lived longer, that cultural homogeneity would probably be impossible.
And let's not forget the Klingon lawyer in "Rules of Engagement", a great character who showed that a lawyer can be just as much a warrior as a solider in the KDF.
The follow up song, "A laughing Klingon and his cat" was much less successful than the Vulcan song.This...
Is an honorable post.
Qapla'!!!
(These Klingon icons look angry, but my intention is to show Klingons who are very agreeable to the post. We don't seem to have laughing Klingon icons here...)
Having Worf encounter both father and son does make the Klingon Defense Forces seem a little small. But there's no need for Worf and Ch'Pok to feel any ill will between them. Ch'Pok lost his extradition case because Odo discovered the deceit that Klingon Intelligence or whoever set up. If Intelligence had done a better job - like using names of people who hadn't died elsewhere - Ch'Pok would probably have won.
Faking a massacre is probably very dishonorable.
Faking a massacre is probably very dishonorable.
Reminds me of these lines...
<Worf's shipmates sing a Klingon version of For He's a Jolly Good Fellow>
Lieutenant Worf: [irritated] That was NOT a Klingon song!
Counselor Troi: It wasn't easy to translate. There doesn't seem to be a Klingon word for jolly.
