Minor side note, but is the Ketracel White drug really 'addictive'? I mean, the Jem' Hadar were designed to need the drug, it's not as if one of them (as currently engineered, and without that mutation fluke we saw in Hippocratic Oath) can live without the drug, then get themselves 'addicted' and later get 'unaddicted' again. Are we humans similarly addicted to essential amino acids, for example?
How would the Federation have treated Jem'Hadar prisoners of war?
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Minor side note, but is the Ketracel White drug really 'addictive'? I mean, the Jem' Hadar were designed to need the drug, it's not as if one of them (as currently engineered, and without that mutation fluke we saw in Hippocratic Oath) can live without the drug, then get themselves 'addicted' and later get 'unaddicted' again. Are we humans similarly addicted to essential amino acids, for example?
The Jem'Hadar are mentally affected by the White as well. Without it they don't just die, they turn into "senseless, violent animals" that kill everyone in their path.
Or simpler; the first two definitions I came across...
"physically and mentally dependent on a particular substance."
"unable to stop taking drugs, or doing something as a habit"
^It seems true that Ketracel White also has certain properties we'd more commonly associate with drugs. Still, I'd hesitate to say they're addicted to a substance that every single member of their species (barring rare anomalies) needs to survive in the first place. I might as well say I'm addicted to food, and lack of food certainly also will affect me mentally, when it gets bad /chronic enough. Perhaps not entirely to the degree the White does with them, but still. The White seems more akin to food to them (additionally, they don't even need food when they have their White).
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It makes you wonder why the Founders didn't create a similar genetic controlling agent for the Vorta. The Vorta's loyalty seems to come simply from their beliefs that the Founders are Gods. You know I have heard about we humans have like something like a God spot in our brains and that is were spirituality comes from. Despite this we still have people don't believe in that stuff. I wonder the Vorta have a similar God spot but it's been tampered wih through genetic engineering to be so strong that it is impossible to have a aithest Vorta for example. Unless something goes wrong in the cloning process like we saw with that one Weyoum who defected with Odo.
But he could live on Deep Space Nine and fix things while Keiko could have some botanic jobs in the area.
In the books The Never-Ending Sacrifice and The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack, the Federation is helping the Cardassians to rebuild their devastated cities and O'Brien is involved in some of it.
When it comes to the O'Brien I can see them just liking the idea of going to a place where you can raise your kids and not have to worry about the starship or space station from blowing up. You get to sit back and enjoy Earth paradise. Do jobs that might not be as exciting but still rewarding. This has just happened after a war as well.
Agreed.
He gets to separate from the horrors of war while investing time in his family and Starfleet. I see no issue with Earth.
And let's not forget, O'Brien was also in the Cardassian border wars. But he didn't have a wife and kids at that point in his life.
A quadrant-wide war, coupled with being older and having a family to protect, will give one a different view on things in life.
We all have some priority shifts at different phases of our lives... as a teenager, in your 20s, 30s, 40s, etc.
A quadrant-wide war, coupled with being older and having a family to protect, will give one a different view on things in life.
We all have some priority shifts at different phases of our lives... as a teenager, in your 20s, 30s, 40s, etc.
Yep O'brien has lived through two wars. Also when they were raising Molly on the Enterprise and later both kids there was no war going on, even if their was the normal dangers of working with Starfleet. Plus Keiko has sacrificed lots of her career to follow O'Brien to Ds9. So even if she wanted to go to Earth the most I don't see why it would be wrong for him to go for that reason. It kind of reminds of the end of Friday Night Lights where Coach Taylor left being able to coach Texas high school football and all the glory that comes from that to move to Philly because he was better for his wife's career. It was like returning a favor after she has gone along and followed him through his coaching career. A some point if a great job comes open in Texas I could see them moving back because that is what husband and wives do. You sometimes make sacrifices for people you love as you share a life together.
But all those scenarios makes terribly bad and uninterstitng stories for books and TV.
As uninteresting as reading a rock biography about some rock hero quitting the rock music to become a shoe salesman or working in a grocery shop.
Sounds good to me.
I think too much is put on entertainment rather than engaging with characters.
To me, I love small stories of people doing their best at a task. That's more inspiring some times than being entertained.
To me, I love small stories of people doing their best at a task. That's more inspiring some times than being entertained.
I don't think O'Brien teaching at the Academy would necessarily be boring. Honestly, I think that's inspiring... a family man who has seen a lot of death and combat changing his path to protect his family and teach future generations in what he did best, quite probably molding the next greatest engineers in Starfleet that in turn protects its worlds?
That's inspirational to me.
Damn straight. To endure a war and continue to serve is highly inspirational.
But, I'm biased because such a story reminds me of my veteran uncle.
Hardly.
Not what I want to read about or see a movie about.
Just a waste of a great character.
