How would the Federation have treated Jem'Hadar prisoners of war?

[Jayson1]

What I don't understand is the O'Briens. Earth? How much botany can there be left to discover on Earth? And Miles would want to be fixing things. He was happier on DS9 where none of the Cardassian and Federation technology saw eye to eye then he was on the Enterprise, just doing preventative maintenance according to schedule. And I don't really see him as the teaching type, not for a class.

Well in "Family" they were talking about raising a new continent. Plus you can still study alien plants on Earth. I assume all sorts of alien plants and trees have been recreated on Earth soil and maybe even some plant hybrids.

 

[Lynx]

“Infested with political correctness”, eh? Yeah, right. Are you again complaining about shows somehow “over-doing“ diversity or some non-sense like that? Because I remember last time you weren’t able to make anything that resembled a cogent argument defending that ridiculous view.

And before you're trying to paint me as being “offended” … no, I’m actually just amused by the mental image of someone trying to watch television and feeling angry because they are constantly confronted with characters with certain skin-colors, sexualities or genders.

My comment had nothing to do with what you are accusing me of writing, it was about PC in common, not about any specific points or issues.

And as moderator for a forum, you should show more objectivity than to insult a poster by referring to "mental images" just because the poster express an opinion.

But what you're also doing is to point out exactly what's wrong with this decade and this society, which is the dictatorship and censorship of those who happen to have different opinions.

 

[Michael]

… what you are accusing me of writing …

Not accusing you of anything. If you read my post again I’m asking whether that’s what you’re referring to by the portion I quoted.

And as moderator for a forum …

I don’t take advice from you about what I should or should not do, thank you. In this subforum I’m just a regular poster, exactly like you.

dictarorship and censorship

Ahahahahaha. What the hell are you even talking about? Who’s dictating or censoring anything you’re doing or saying?

 

[Lynx]

What I don't understand is the O'Briens. Earth? How much botany can there be left to discover on Earth? And Miles would want to be fixing things. He was happier on DS9 where none of the Cardassian and Federation technology saw eye to eye then he was on the Enterprise, just doing preventative maintenance according to schedule. And I don't really see him as the teaching type, not for a class.

I could never understand that "going back to Earth to be a teacher at the Academy".

Actually a bad solution, sort of "Miles is going back to Earth because he just have to leave the station Deep Space Nine because everyone in this great gang must leave because we in charge have decided that".

I must admit that I couldn't imagine him as a teacher at the Academy. Ever since watching the last episode, my thoughts have been: "he will be bored to death after six week and back on Deep Space Nine in ten, fixing things and building Alamo with Bashir.

In the books The Never Ending Sacirfice and The Crimson Shadow, (By Una McCormack) he and his family are back in the Cardassian-Bajoran area, probably stationed on Deep Space Nine again which is a good solution

 

[Lynx]

Not accusing you of anything. If you read my post again I’m asking whether that’s what you’re referring to by the portion I quoted.

Which I actually did answer to in my reply to your rude post.

I don’t take advice from you about what I should or should not do, thank you. In this subforum I’m just a regular poster, exactly like you.

Fine, then I don't have to answer to you either.
But I doubt that you can stay neutral and moderate in a possible conflict where one of the participants is known for having different opinions than you have.

Ahahahahaha. What the hell are you even talking about? Who’s dictating or censoring anything you’re doing or saying?

Once again, my remark was directed at what's going on in society in common, where it's impossible to discuss certain issues because of downright harassment and even censorship of those who might have a different opinion.

I could mention many such issues but that would take us far out of this topic and create a conflict which would ruin a good thread.

Your "ahahahaha's" and ridiculing of those you consider as "opponents" or maybe "enemies" also show disrespect for those who don't share your opinion, a behavior which is also common among political correct persons.

 

[Michael]

Which I actually did answer to in my reply to your rude post.

Wasn’t saying you didn’t answer it. Was just clarifying that I’m not “accusing” you of anything.

Fine, then I don't have to answer to you either.

Of course you don’t. But it certainly seems like you’re as quick to being offended as you want to think “politically correct” people are. Just the slightest opposing wind or daresay someone trying to question your stance and you seem to be quick to dodge.

But I doubt that you can stay neutral and moderate in a possible conflict where one of the participants is known for having different opinions than you have.

Well, duh. Newsflash, I’m just a regular guy with opinions of his own, mod or no mod. I’m giving my best to moderate fairly and without prejudice in the forums I mod, and you do realize that there’s a whole staff of moderators here, right? So there’s a system in place where what we’re doing is checked by others. So no need to worry about my impartiality. Frankly, what kind of fun would be in it for me spending time here if I wasn't allowed to voice my personal opinions?

Once again, my remark was directed at what's going on in society in common, where it's impossible to discuss certain issues because of downright harassment and even censorship of those who might have a different opinion.

Okay, so again, who’s been censoring whom and where?

Your "ahahahaha's" and ridiculing of those you consider as "opponents" or maybe "enemies" also show disrespect for those who don't share your opinion, a behavior which is also common among political correct persons.

I do go out of my way to show respect to every person I meet, online or off. But I’m not meeting you for the first time today. I know stuff you said in earlier discussions. And so for me that respect ends when that person turns out to hold problematic opinions. No good reason to show unlimited respect to those in my view.

 

[fireproof78]

Whenever "respect" gets bandied about I am often reminded of a quote from one of my favorite books; "I am not making fun of your personally. I am heaping scorn on a ridiculous idea."

I use to get offended by ideas that were contrary to my own. I don't any more. It's not worth the effort.

 

[Farscape One]

The Federation would never execute Dominion prisoners. They might allow them to kill themselves though on the grounds of it being part of their culture. Worf was able to kill Duras and get a pass since it was seen as okay by Klingon Culture and well he did it again when he almost killed Kurn on DS9 and even Picard was saying that it would be okay for Worf to kill himself in "Ethics."

Worf's attempt to kill Kurn in the ritual suicide is a bad example in this case. He was getting dressed down by Sisko, plus I doubt that it would be fine under Bajoran law, which the station does fall under.

 

[kkt]

I could never understand that "going back to Earth to be a teacher at the Academy".

Actually a bad solution, sort of "Miles is going back to Earth because he just have to leave the station Deep Space Nine because everyone in this great gang must leave because we in charge have decided that".

I must admit that I couldn't imagine him as a teacher at the Academy. Ever since watching the last episode, my thoughts have been: "he will be bored to death after six week and back on Deep Space Nine in ten, fixing things and building Alamo with Bashir.

In the books The Never Ending Sacirfice and The Crimson Shadow, (By Una McCormack) he and his family are back in the Cardassian-Bajoran area, probably stationed on Deep Space Nine again which is a good solution

Yes. It should be Keiko's turn to say where they move for the good for her career. There's things to fix just about everywhere.

 

[kkt]

Worf's attempt to kill Kurn in the ritual suicide is a bad example in this case. He was getting dressed down by Sisko, plus I doubt that it would be fine under Bajoran law, which the station does fall under.

Worf and Kurn should have travelled together to Klingon space where Worf could carry out Kurn's wishes. While Worf was on leave, and flying commercially not on a borrowed Starfleet runabout.

Wiping his memory was bogus. Memory is not like a hard disc drive. Also Bashir should have faced his own dressing down by Sisko and probably an ethics investigation by Starfleet Medical as well.

 

[Jayson1]

Worf's attempt to kill Kurn in the ritual suicide is a bad example in this case. He was getting dressed down by Sisko, plus I doubt that it would be fine under Bajoran law, which the station does fall under.

He did get dressed down by Sisko but at the end of the day no charges were brought against him for attempted murder. I suppose this must often be a tricky issue when it comes to Starfleet officers that have cultural values that run up against the mainstream values held by most member worlds. On one hand you don't want to force your values on other cultures but some of these cultures are not going to match up with Federation values. Hench I suppose their is often some compromise involved. Worf more of less is willing to work within that structure and having grown up with humans and on Federation planets likely even shares many of them but he does have his Klingon culture he is proud of and so sometimes he is going to do things most in the Federation would likely have issues with.

 

[Jayson1]

Worf and Kurn should have travelled together to Klingon space where Worf could carry out Kurn's wishes. While Worf was on leave, and flying commercially not on a borrowed Starfleet runabout.

Wiping his memory was bogus. Memory is not like a hard disc drive. Also Bashir should have faced his own dressing down by Sisko and probably an ethics investigation by Starfleet Medical as well.

That's kind of how Dax avoided trouble in "Blood Oath." The idea of killing someone out of revenge I imagine is find in terms of Klingon law but she at least left the station when he joined the other Klingons on that mission. Something I don't think would have worked if they had tried to kill the Albino on DS9.

 

[Farscape One]

He did get dressed down by Sisko but at the end of the day no charges were brought against him for attempted murder. I suppose this must often be a tricky issue when it comes to Starfleet officers that have cultural values that run up against the mainstream values held by most member worlds. On one hand you don't want to force your values on other cultures but some of these cultures are not going to match up with Federation values. Hench I suppose their is often some compromise involved. Worf more of less is willing to work within that structure and having grown up with humans and on Federation planets likely even shares many of them but he does have his Klingon culture he is proud of and so sometimes he is going to do things most in the Federation would likely have issues with.

Considering that in the very next episode, "BAR ASSOCIATION", Quark was very nearly killed by the Nausicaans hired by Brunt but was not charged because Quark didn't press charges, Kurn likely didn't press charges, so Worf was in the clear, legally.

(Another example is "IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT", when Tolar stabbed Quark. Odo said 'as a matter of law' that he would have to be arrested if Quark pressed charges.)

 

[Tosk]

Actually a bad solution, sort of "Miles is going back to Earth because he just have to leave the station Deep Space Nine because everyone in this great gang must leave because we in charge have decided that".

It wasn't everyone. Julian, Ezri, Jake, Quark, and Nerys stayed. Over half the main cast.

Edited for accuracy. Thanks, Farscape One.

 

[Farscape One]

And Kira also stayed.

 

[Tosk]

Yeah, I dunno how I left her off the list.

 

[Lynx]

Wasn’t saying you didn’t answer it. Was just clarifying that I’m not “accusing” you of anything.


Of course you don’t. But it certainly seems like you’re as quick to being offended as you want to think “politically correct” people are. Just the slightest opposing wind or daresay someone trying to question your stance and you seem to be quick to dodge.


Well, duh. Newsflash, I’m just a regular guy with opinions of his own, mod or no mod. I’m giving my best to moderate fairly and without prejudice in the forums I mod, and you do realize that there’s a whole staff of moderators here, right? So there’s a system in place where what we’re doing is checked by others. So no need to worry about my impartiality. Frankly, what kind of fun would be in it for me spending time here if I wasn't allowed to voice my personal opinions?


Okay, so again, who’s been censoring whom and where?


I do go out of my way to show respect to every person I meet, online or off. But I’m not meeting you for the first time today. I know stuff you said in earlier discussions. And so for me that respect ends when that person turns out to hold problematic opinions. No good reason to show unlimited respect to those in my view.

Oh please..............
Your rant is waaay out of topic.

You don't like my opinions and I don't like yours so I guess that we are stuck there.
Therefore I suggest that we stop this bickering and stay on topic instead of ruining a great thread.

 

[Lynx]

Yes. It should be Keiko's turn to say where they move for the good for her career. There's things to fix just about everywhere.

Well, why not?
And since there are a lot of botanic things to study on Bajor and Cardassia Prime..................

Worf's attempt to kill Kurn in the ritual suicide is a bad example in this case. He was getting dressed down by Sisko, plus I doubt that it would be fine under Bajoran law, which the station does fall under.

Worf and Kurn should have travelled together to Klingon space where Worf could carry out Kurn's wishes. While Worf was on leave, and flying commercially not on a borrowed Starfleet runabout.

Wiping his memory was bogus. Memory is not like a hard disc drive. Also Bashir should have faced his own dressing down by Sisko and probably an ethics investigation by Starfleet Medical as well.

He did get dressed down by Sisko but at the end of the day no charges were brought against him for attempted murder. I suppose this must often be a tricky issue when it comes to Starfleet officers that have cultural values that run up against the mainstream values held by most member worlds. On one hand you don't want to force your values on other cultures but some of these cultures are not going to match up with Federation values. Hench I suppose their is often some compromise involved. Worf more of less is willing to work within that structure and having grown up with humans and on Federation planets likely even shares many of them but he does have his Klingon culture he is proud of and so sometimes he is going to do things most in the Federation would likely have issues with.

Considering that in the very next episode, "BAR ASSOCIATION", Quark was very nearly killed by the Nausicaans hired by Brunt but was not charged because Quark didn't press charges, Kurn likely didn't press charges, so Worf was in the clear, legally.

(Another example is "IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT", when Tolar stabbed Quark. Odo said 'as a matter of law' that he would have to be arrested if Quark pressed charges.)

These are all interesting things because it's obvious that the Federation can't force their laws on other cultures and species. Which can contribute to good storytelling.

I can understand and support why Sisko stopped Worf from killing Kurn since killing anyone definitely was against both Federation and Bajoran laws. But then we had this example with Worf killing Duras but that happened on a Klingon ship in Klingon space....well, some tricky situations there.

I agree that wiping Kurn's memory was a bad thing. That was something I wouldf have liked to seen being followed-up in some later episode, maybe with Kurn getting his memory back.

It wasn't everyone. Julian, Ezri, Jake, Quark, and Nerys stayed. Over half the main cast.

Edited for accuracy. Thanks, Farscape One.

But still too many.

I did write a story where I tried to adapt to what was going on with Kira as head of the station and Ro Laren as security officer. It worked well for the story but still it felt wrong. Next time, I will have Sisko, Odo and the others back.

 

[kkt]

Miles would hate living on Cardassia. And Keiko has no reason to like them especially, either. When Miles was on the show trial there she was watching too.

 

[Jayson1]

It wasn't everyone. Julian, Ezri, Jake, Quark, and Nerys stayed. Over half the main cast.

Edited for accuracy. Thanks, Farscape One.

Don't forget Nog and Vic Fontaine assuming we count them as main cast as well. One could even maybe include Morn and Kassidy Yates but I think she was going to move to that house on Bajor that Sisko was wanting to live in.