startrekrcks
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How will Trek XI blend in with the rest of Trek
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In a few years, but right now... nope, I don't think so. The battle wounds haven't healed yet.
It does for me, though. I never had any sort of problem with the whole re-imagining, re-boot, re-whathaveyou, different reality thang. No problem at all.
It does for me, though. I never had any sort of problem with the whole re-imagining, re-boot, re-whathaveyou, different reality thang. No problem at all.
Never the twain shall meet... (aside from old Spock now being stuck over there)
...such is the new administration's intention to have a clean slate. Unless the writers are lying and are simply delaying that reset button until they've run out of ideas or need to go back for something they've carelessly abandoned. Which barring a miracle (for me at least) doesn't seem very likely at all.
I love to compartmentalize my Star Trek. This follows that and that happens before this. I can't help it. Past, Present and Future. That's the way my reality works and I've always been comfortable with that reflected in the series I watch. "What If" alternatives are all well and good for a Nazi occupied America, or sideways to the Mirror Universe, or to a place where the Borg won "The Best of Both Worlds" but I wouldn't want it like that all the time. Personally, the movie just reinforces how I still haven't seen how my Kirk, Spock and McCoy first met before Nero came along to ruin everything.
My heart is with the Prime Universe. So I'll only ever be a tourist in the new one, should I ever choose to return...
...such is the new administration's intention to have a clean slate. Unless the writers are lying and are simply delaying that reset button until they've run out of ideas or need to go back for something they've carelessly abandoned. Which barring a miracle (for me at least) doesn't seem very likely at all.
I love to compartmentalize my Star Trek. This follows that and that happens before this. I can't help it. Past, Present and Future. That's the way my reality works and I've always been comfortable with that reflected in the series I watch. "What If" alternatives are all well and good for a Nazi occupied America, or sideways to the Mirror Universe, or to a place where the Borg won "The Best of Both Worlds" but I wouldn't want it like that all the time. Personally, the movie just reinforces how I still haven't seen how my Kirk, Spock and McCoy first met before Nero came along to ruin everything.
My heart is with the Prime Universe. So I'll only ever be a tourist in the new one, should I ever choose to return...
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That's the fun of it, isn't it? 
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
yes JJ Abrams must have thought what does Trek need but do you think it was necessary to make a origin story of the TOS crew.
I think it was. Pop culture dictated it, sort of, and I think this story was just waiting to be told.... it had been for decades. Take some famous fictional icons and place them in a hip, modern scenario.
Nothing could have worked better. I payed off nicely, anyway, and it was exactly what I had hoped for.
Nothing could have worked better. I payed off nicely, anyway, and it was exactly what I had hoped for.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
and bring in younger actors to play the roles that were portrayed by the original cast in Tos.
That too. It helps young audiences to identify with the characters, the story, and the entire franchise, come to think about it. Combining young and hip with familiar pop culture was pretty clever, not to mention uber cool.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
I agree Pine and the rest were well chosen did you think so
Very well indeed. Just look at Zachary Quinto, that bloke rocks.
I have posted in another thread that I think casting is critical to a film's success or failure (at least in my eyes). The casting in Star Trek was great, and really difficult as it was a re-cast of such popular roles. In my opinion, that was part of the success; people were curious, and then pleasantly surprised.
I have posted in another thread that I think casting is critical to a film's success or failure (at least in my eyes). The casting in Star Trek was great, and really difficult as it was a re-cast of such popular roles. In my opinion, that was part of the success; people were curious, and then pleasantly surprised.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
wonder what will they deliver for us in the next one anyway why are people being very harsh about the movie.
It already has "blended in" just fine. It has the same feel to me that the Trek I like - TOS, DS9 and S4 ENT - had. Meaning, not canned, sanitized or just going-through-the-motions. Real drama, real characters, real consequences that aren't swept under the rug or forgotten.
What they doing with Spock and Uhura in particular has a DS9 feel to it - setting up long-term character arcs that have somewhere interesting to go, that have the potential to permanently change the characters and the plotline, something that only the TOS movies, DS9 and S4 of ENT dared to do.
They did have to make some radical changes, particularly to Uhura, who seems like an original character rather than anyone who ever was on the TV show. But that's the right approach. Plan for the future, don't get mired in the past.
And I'm also getting the feeling waiting for Trek XII that I haven't had since DS9 ended - jumping out of my skin waiting to find out what happens next. But now it's rassen frassen two years instead of a week! This is painful!
I personally would have preferred a post-Dominion-War saga, featuring Garak, Kira, Bashir, maybe Nog and a couple of folks from VOY like Paris, Tuvok and/or EMH, but I have no illusions how that would have done at the box office. I would have had a blast at the theater and so would the other three or so people there with me, but it's more important to get Trek back into the money-making mode so we can be guaranteed more material.
More exciting space opera, more universe building (what are the Klingons up to, anyway? and how bout them Andorians?) but the core will continue to be the character arcs they've set up in XI, in particular Kirk's growth from wild-child to seasoned commander, Spock's continued struggle to hang onto his emotional stability, and Uhura's struggle to keep Spock from going completely over the edge.
Early in the next movie, things will appear to be going ok for Spock, but that will be a mere illusion. Both Uhura and Kirk will have major roles to play being embroiled in Spock's drama, and really it's Spock, not Kirk, who will be the lead character of all three movies.
The fun thing is that all these are new character arcs that will continue to differentiate these characters from the originals while being plausible iterations of the originals - the lives they could have had, if things had been different. I predict that while Kirk goes from instability to stability, Spock will go in the opposite direction. The second movie will bring this tension to a cliffhanger point, and the third will resolve it.
Why are there people who prefer corny old BSG to Ron Moore's far-superior new version? People are just plain contrary.
What they doing with Spock and Uhura in particular has a DS9 feel to it - setting up long-term character arcs that have somewhere interesting to go, that have the potential to permanently change the characters and the plotline, something that only the TOS movies, DS9 and S4 of ENT dared to do.
They did have to make some radical changes, particularly to Uhura, who seems like an original character rather than anyone who ever was on the TV show. But that's the right approach. Plan for the future, don't get mired in the past.
And I'm also getting the feeling waiting for Trek XII that I haven't had since DS9 ended - jumping out of my skin waiting to find out what happens next. But now it's rassen frassen two years instead of a week! This is painful!
Yes. Of all the dozens of ideas bandied around here, the only one with a real hope of pop culture success was to go back to what most people understand as Trek - Kirk, Spock, Enterprise - and rebuild from there.
I personally would have preferred a post-Dominion-War saga, featuring Garak, Kira, Bashir, maybe Nog and a couple of folks from VOY like Paris, Tuvok and/or EMH, but I have no illusions how that would have done at the box office.
I would have had a blast at the theater and so would the other three or so people there with me, but it's more important to get Trek back into the money-making mode so we can be guaranteed more material.More exciting space opera, more universe building (what are the Klingons up to, anyway? and how bout them Andorians?) but the core will continue to be the character arcs they've set up in XI, in particular Kirk's growth from wild-child to seasoned commander, Spock's continued struggle to hang onto his emotional stability, and Uhura's struggle to keep Spock from going completely over the edge.
Early in the next movie, things will appear to be going ok for Spock, but that will be a mere illusion. Both Uhura and Kirk will have major roles to play being embroiled in Spock's drama, and really it's Spock, not Kirk, who will be the lead character of all three movies.
The fun thing is that all these are new character arcs that will continue to differentiate these characters from the originals while being plausible iterations of the originals - the lives they could have had, if things had been different. I predict that while Kirk goes from instability to stability, Spock will go in the opposite direction. The second movie will bring this tension to a cliffhanger point, and the third will resolve it.
Why are there people who prefer corny old BSG to Ron Moore's far-superior new version? People are just plain contrary.
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Sure, but judging by the pro/contra wars among the nerds (myself included)..... well I guess the question was directed at us rather than just everyone else.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
Agree with you I will enjoy the thrill and excitement of this rebirth of Trek do you think the sequels will be amazing as well.
I'm an optimist. I was sure XI was gonna rock, and it did. There's no reason to think the next one won't.
But bear in mind this comes from someone who likes the Star Wars prequels, and watched The Clone Wars at the cinema.
But bear in mind this comes from someone who likes the Star Wars prequels, and watched The Clone Wars at the cinema.
I think this nuTrek will has blended just fine, though its the future spin-offs of this alternate reality that I wonder about; nuTNG, nuDS9, nuVoyager, or hopefully something completely from scratch a new show with totally new characters. Only time will tell.
I don't think you need to worry about those ever happening.
The Abomination and its unholy sequels will never, ever, EVER become "Trek" as far as I'm concerned. It's an anomaly, spawned by crass marketing forces and pandering to a fickle modern audience that will wander away from it the first time another shiny new toy comes to light.
It's a loathesome deformity of what was once a beloved continuity.
It's...
*hsssst* [hypospray administered]
...got lots of bright lights and colorful color-thingies...i like the pretty green girl....*thump*
sorry 'bout that. (Back to Tantalus with youi, mate!)
It's a loathesome deformity of what was once a beloved continuity.
It's...
*hsssst* [hypospray administered]
...got lots of bright lights and colorful color-thingies...i like the pretty green girl....*thump*
sorry 'bout that. (Back to Tantalus with youi, mate!)
