How Will This Movie Stand the Test of Time?

[scottydog]

My impressions of movies sometimes change over time. I thought ST: TMP was awesome when I first saw it on the big screen in 1980; now it's slow and plodding. The opposite is true with Pulp Fiction -- it was horrid at first, now I think it's pure genius.

How well do you think Star Trek XI will hold up?

 

[Shazam!]

I think it'll hold up as an adventure movie like a Back to the Future or Pirates of the Caribbean. I can't really see it holding the interest of hardcore Trek fans in the long term.

 

[urbandk]

I think it'll hold up as an adventure movie like a Back to the Future or Pirates of the Caribbean. I can't really see it holding the interest of hardcore Trek fans in the long term.

Huh? I'm a hardcore trekkie, and I think this is the best of the Star Trek movies, excluding maybe TWOK.

I think it's the most dynamic re-envisioning of Star Trek since TNG. I think it will hold up well, especially with more sequels to follow and build on it.

 

[CaptJimboJones]

I think it will continue to be popular among Star Trek fans for many years to come. As for the general public, I agree that it will likely hold up about as long as your typical well received action/scifi/fantasy film.

 

[Shazam!]

I can't really see it holding the interest of hardcore Trek fans in the long term.

Huh? I'm a hardcore trekkie, and I think this is the best of the Star Trek movies, excluding maybe TWOK.

Because a few months is the long term

*facepalm*

 

[Chrisisall]

I thought ST: TMP was awesome when I first saw it on the big screen in 1980; now it's slow and plodding.

Personally, back then I thought it was awesome, and now, with the Director's Cut, I think it is awesomer.

The opposite is true with Pulp Fiction -- it was horrid at first, now I think it's pure genius.

I think, then & now, that it's a hugely entertaining & inspired mess.
The only movie I ever radically adjusted my opinion on was Batman Begins- I HATED it first time, now I think it's genius.

How well do you think Star Trek XI will hold up?

Well, very well indeed.

I think it'll hold up as an adventure movie like a Back to the Future or Pirates of the Caribbean.

A classic? I totally agree!

I can't really see it holding the interest of hardcore Trek fans in the long term.

You're just not thinking fourth-dimensionally.

 

[davejames]

I think it's reputation will actually grow over time with Trek fans.

I know the first time I saw it, I had the same little issues everyone else had, but the more I think about the movie, the more those things seem to drop away. More than anything, it's the movie's fun characters and great sense of energy that really stick with me and make me want to watch it again and again.

 

[scottydog]

^I think I'd have to agree with you. The movie was not simply very well made. It also was a radical departure and quantum leap from previous trek. Twenty years from now it may be seen as a classic, a textbook model for how to reboot and revitalize a franchise.

Of course a lot may depend on how well the franchise does in the next 20 years. If Star Trek XI is a one-hit wonder, then we may look at it with less reverence than if it spearheads a long-term resurgence in all things trek.

 

[DaveyNY]

^I think I'd have to agree with you. The movie was not simply very well made. It also was a radical departure and quantum leap from previous trek. Twenty years from now it may be seen as a classic, a textbook model for how to reboot and revitalize a franchise.

Of course a lot may depend on how well the franchise does in the next 20 years. If Star Trek XI is a one-hit wonder, then we may look at it with less reverence than if it spearheads a long-term resurgence in all things trek.

I agree completely...

Everything will pretty much depend on how well Trek XII does...

If They can capture lighting-in-a-bottle again, as They did with Transformers 2, then all may be well...

If not, then this will just be a flash-in-the-pan and Trek will probably languish for another ten or fifteen years till someone else wants to take a crack at it...

Personally, I think They should kow-tow just a little bit more to the Die-hard-old-time-Trekkie's like me (there are still quite a few of Us alive, contrary to popular belief around here...) with the next one.

(Just my opinion, mind you.)

I think They should bring things back a bit closer to the Trek Universe that We've known for the last forty-plus years.

If done subtly, it couldn't hurt...

I'm not saying They should do a 360 or anything like that (Vulcan and Amanda are gone for good, obviously...), but there's no reason to further divorce NuTrek from the widely believed and somewhat established (I hate this word) Canon (I like LORE, better...).

After all, part of the Trek phenomenon has been it's more-than-atypical-attempts (compared to most TV shows) to keep a fairly consistent (not perfect) Universe.
Even if it meant back-tracking or fudging once in a while to explain the inconsistencies.

We can thank a lot of the People who have worked on Trek for the past forty-plus years for giving a damn about how well All-Things-Trek fit together, even if They weren't always completely successful.

I just feel like the Folks in charge now, have really tilted things even more so toward the "OOOOOooooo...-Why-Should-We-Care-, We-Made-A-Buck" attitude that's gonna bite Them in the ass eventually and drive Us away...

 

[Therin of Andor]

My impressions of movies sometimes change over time. I thought ST: TMP was awesome when I first saw it on the big screen in 1980; now it's slow and plodding.

Well, that seems like the total opposite to other fan opinions. While I loved TMP both in 1979 and 2009, many other fans complained bitterly, in those months after TMP's premiere, that it was "slow and plodding", but many have come to an (almost-begrudging) appreciation of the film. Boosted along by the DVD-DE, of course, but the film is no longer derided with the same gusto as in the early 80s.

I went to see JJ's ST again the other day - for viewing #6. I think I've made as many return visits to this film as I did to TMP in 1980. It was as engaging to me, this time, as it was the first time I saw it. It is thoroughly entertaining, with so much rich detail that I see something new every time.

Kinda like TMP - where it took me two viewings to even notice the alien ambassadors (San Francisco) and crewmembers (rec deck) who were depicted in my glossy cinema program - remember those? - and then four viewings just to find all five Andorians!

JJ's ST is probably more entertaining than TMP, although nostalgia wins out so it doesn't displace TMP on my ultimate list. But I can see this movie staying popular - at least until the next one kicks its arse. We'll see.

I can't really see it holding the interest of hardcore Trek fans in the long term.

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[Anticitizen]

This is a question probably better answered after we see the director's cut.

However, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it'll very much depend on where they go from here, and if the new cast is willing/able to make the roles their own over the course of their time in the franchise.

For comparison, I'd say The Man Trap, if it had been a standalone production, wouldn't have stood the test of time very well at all, but that's not what we think of when we think of TOS, is it?

As for myself, I doubt I'll like it any less, as I already don't like it

 

[msbae]

I went to see this movie 4 times. That should answer your question, Topic Creator.

 

[Therin of Andor]

This is a question probably better answered after we see the director's cut.

Hasn't JJ said that the movie that premiered in May is his "director's cut"? The forthcoming DVD/Blu-Ray probably won't add footage back into the movie, just place it in the bonus features section.

 

[Anticitizen]

Well, then I suppose the movie will remain bad

 

[Therin of Andor]

Well, then I suppose the movie will remain bad

Adding the missing scenes of Spock's birth, before the Kelvin attack, would dilute the emotion in the attack scene - and going off on an unnecessary diversion to Rura Penthe, with the Klingons torturing Nero for 25 years, is hardly going to change the film into something you will like.

 

[pheonix]

I too think it depends on how well future movies do. I don't see why people would not at least partially credit Trek XI if the franchise does well again. People like winners, how ever if it just seems like a "15 minutes" thing it will probably be forgotten like all the other one hit wonders.

I personally like it, can't say how it will hold up for me. As I grow older my taste changes, there are so many things I know look back and wonder what I ever saw in them...

 

[Deks]

Well, then I suppose the movie will remain bad

Adding the missing scenes of Spock's birth, before the Kelvin attack, would dilute the emotion in the attack scene - and going off on an unnecessary diversion to Rura Penthe, with the Klingons torturing Nero for 25 years, is hardly going to change the film into something you will like.

Actually, it might introduce concepts to the film that make it a bit more like-able ... because right now it's just 'ok to see' in my opinion, but hardly anything grand or a masterpiece.
Deleted scenes from Nemesis for example would have added more to the film in my personal opinion (even though I already liked that movie in it's initial state).

 

[barnaclelapse]

I think it's absolutely impossible to guess that right now.

It's way, way too soon.

 

[Prons]

I think within decades it'll still be known as a good movie. 30 years from now when people look at action movies from the turn of the millenium, this will be up there. In fact I think this movie may have more longetivity than Transformers even.

Of course, it's impact will be partly remembered by what happens to the movies next. If the next movie repeats it's success, or even increases it, I think it'll be cemented

 

[Chrisisall]

Deleted scenes from Nemesis for example would have added more to the film in my personal opinion (even though I already liked that movie in it's initial state).

OMG, you have the same opinion as I do? I thought I was the only sentient being on this planet that held this belief!!