How Will The Show Represent The Next Step in Holographics?

[hux]

Will they even bother? Will they want to move away from that stuff?

I guess it depends on when it's set but if it's post TNG (in either timeline) then holographic technology (and even characters) will presumably have a role to play in the new show.

I think the logical next step is for the entire ship, including crew quarters to have holo emitters in them. Hell, you could theoretically have the entire ship be an empty husk simply filled with holo emitters (save for the engines and weapons etc). A big empty monster where all the rooms are projected.

And if holographic rights have continued then chances are, we'll see a number of holographic crew members.

Or would you like to see holographic technology die? (cos you just know they'll throw some holodeck filler episodes at us).

 

[Dukhat]

I don't really want to see holograms. Or Holodecks. Or Klingons. Or cute kids. Or androids. Or rubber foreheads. Or technobabble. Or catsuits. Or...

 

[Longinus]

Or would you like to see holographic technology die? (cos you just know they'll throw some holodeck filler episodes at us).

Mostly yes. I wouldn't mind couple of holodeck episodes now and then, but they took that stuff too far in the Voyager. The things you propose are indeed a logical continuation of holotechnology, but I'd prefer if they wouldn't go there (and they probably won't.)

This sort of thing is actually the best argument for reboot rather than continued prime. The technology becomes too advanced and the storytelling suffers. Most of this is Voyager's fault, that show introduced a lot of stuff that should realistically be commonly available in near future: slipstream, cure for death, mobile holoprojectors, sentient holograms, phasing starships (well, the last two were TNG's fault) and all that crazy Endgame stuff.

Of course in Abramsverse they have instant interstellar teleportation, which is way more setting-breaking than any of that stuff...

I generally feel that TOS movies had the best depiction of tech-level.

 

[Longinus]

Or Klingons.

 

[EnderAKH]

I don't really want to see holograms. Or Holodecks. Or Klingons. Or cute kids. Or androids. Or rubber foreheads. Or technobabble. Or catsuits. Or...

Or Ferengi. Or Vulcans. Or starships. Or the Federation. Or Starfleet. Or any ship called Enterprise. Or...

 

[RandyS]

Yes, show us the "next generation" of Holodeks......
....by showing us how often they malfunction.

 

[HIjol]

Some of my pursuits (which might be better-served in a holo-deck) malfunction all on their own...

...with no help needed from technology!

As to the OP, maybe the Next Step would be something along the lines of "Inner Light", wherein you can "live a life" or have an extended "experience", without the 'Deck.

And be "back" in time for your Duty Shift...

 

[hux]

As to the OP, maybe the Next Step would be something along the lines of "Inner Light", wherein you can "live a life" or have an extended "experience", without the 'Deck.

And be "back" in time for your Duty Shift...

Interesting. So a manipulation of your sense of time as well as your surroundings. That would be a real mind bender -- but would you have genuine memories of another life, a lifetime of memories, once you returned to normal life?

 

[HIjol]

Exactly!, and thanks for explaining it better than I did. I was worried My thinking and imagining did not match how I wrote it.

 

[C.E. Evans]

If the next series should feature an advancement in holodeck technology, I think there really shouldn't be much of a big deal about it. Even holographic people probably shouldn't be considered that unique anymore, but ones as evolved as VOY's EMH (or even DS9's Vic Fontaine) should probably be looked as more rare than common, IMO.

 

[cultcross]

If we are looking post Nemesis it stands to reason obtaining the EMHs mobile emitter would allow Starfleet to reverse engineer it and produce them for other holograms, potentially leading to a holographic 'species' emerging. However, given how done to death the issues that would arise have been in VOY and even TNG (Measure of a Man) they should be background only. Exist, but not part of the main story.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Mostly yes. I wouldn't mind couple of holodeck episodes now and then, but they took that stuff too far in the Voyager. The things you propose are indeed a logical continuation of holotechnology, but I'd prefer if they wouldn't go there (and they probably won't.)

This sort of thing is actually the best argument for reboot rather than continued prime. The technology becomes too advanced and the storytelling suffers. Most of this is Voyager's fault, that show introduced a lot of stuff that should realistically be commonly available in near future: slipstream, cure for death, mobile holoprojectors, sentient holograms, phasing starships (well, the last two were TNG's fault) and all that crazy Endgame stuff.

Of course in Abramsverse they have instant interstellar teleportation, which is way more setting-breaking than any of that stuff...

I generally feel that TOS movies had the best depiction of tech-level.

This is why I'm wary of this new series being set in the Prime Timeline; I wish that it were set in the reboot timeline and be a spin-off instead.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm still hoping that it is set between TOS and TNG.
I know I'm probably in the minority, but there's approximately 80 years worth of stuff for them to play with.
And they could essentially tone the techno-babble down to a very dull roar.

 

[RandyS]

I'm still hoping that it is set between TOS and TNG.
I know I'm probably in the minority, but there's approximately 80 years worth of stuff for them to play with.
And they could essentially tone the techno-babble down to a very dull roar.

I wouldn't mind that setting either. And the technobabble never bothered me much. I never understood any of it anyway. It was just another part of the show to me.

 

[DaveyNY]

When I typed "technobabble" I meant more of the actual physical things that we saw in TNG, rather than the gobble-dee-goop' the scripts used.
I wouldn't mind at all if the Holodeck is shown in it's infancy and there's only passing comments on the advanced technology that is coming by Picard's era. (0r not mentioning it at all)
They could loose all the fancy shipboard amenities and go back to more of a "submarine military" aspect of duty on a spaceship for the crew, and I'd be happy.
IMO, TNG worked best when we kinda-sorta ignored the "one-big-happy-family" and played up a bit of strife and contention among the crew.
I don't mean actual insubordination on a regular basis, but I liked it when they added Worf and Ensign Ro to the cast of TNG.
I also wouldn't mind seeing the actual "First Contact" with the Cardassians and how that played out between the Fed's and the Klingons.
I know the Romulans are supposedly hiding behind their boarders during this time period, but having them doing sneaky krap behind the scenes, would be interesting too.
(like ENTERPRISE showed them using drones to create havoc in the Pre-Federation quadrants)

I honestly believe that CBS is happy with the direction Cryptic/PWE has taken the time period beyond "NEMESIS" and would rather not throw a monkey-wrench into the works by making the game essentially moot, and doing something completely different in that era with a TV show.
(which could impact the games viability and thus it's income to a large extent)

 

[Longinus]

This is why I'm wary of this new series being set in the Prime Timeline; I wish that it were set in the reboot timeline and be a spin-off instead.

As I said, the problem with this is that Abramsverse has even more setting breaking technology. The instantaneous interstellar teleportation makes the whole premise of Star Trek untenable (i.e. interstellar exploration via starships.)

 

[BillJ]

As I said, the problem with this is that Abramsverse has even more setting breaking technology. The instantaneous interstellar teleportation makes the whole premise of Star Trek untenable (i.e. interstellar exploration via starships.)

No, it doesn't!

The car hasn't caused the demise of the train and the airplane hasn't caused the demise of either. It's just another piece of technology. The Ferengi had long range beaming in a TNG episode and it didn't break the universe. Anymore than using the transporter to reverse aging has somehow rendered medical science a non-factor.

 

[Kor]

Yes, if I was going to explore some dangerous space phenomenon involving massive forces of energy, radiation, gravity, or whatever, I would most definitely want to be in a ship that has shields, structural integrity fields and inertial dampening, not beamed way out there by myself in a spacesuit.

Kor

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

And if holographic rights have continued then chances are, we'll see a number of holographic crew members.

I seriously hope they steer clear of this non-issue. VOY tried to make a civil/equal rights issue out of something that is one of the most ridiculous things in Trek. Holograms are tools, just like a tricorder, hyperspanner or toaster, some can be complex but only because that's how they were programmed. Even when it comes to androids/artificial lifeforms, the ruling in "Measure of a Man" was just about Data, not all androids, so there may be a case for some holograms to be looked at in the same light (such as Voyager's EMH) but not something that would apply to each any every holographic character.

If that was the case, Quark would face who knows how many cases of exploitation, sexual assault and pimping for his holosuites on DS9; Picard and crew would face court for wrongful imprisonment and mental anguish for locking Moriarty away in that holo-cube; even the EMH would be brought up on charges of torture, GBH and murder for what he did in "Darkling".

So please, please, PLEASE, PTB of Trek 2017, forget this dreadful story idea!

 

[Dukhat]

Or Ferengi. Or Vulcans. Or starships. Or the Federation. Or Starfleet. Or any ship called Enterprise. Or...

Now you're getting it.