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How unified does a planet/race have to be to join the UFP?

The President in Homefront and Paradise Lost is the Federation President, that's made very clear in the episode. He's making decisions concerning Earth because the writers felt including a separate Earth government would confuse the audience.

It ended up being more confusing to me because the scope of his decisions was exclusively confined to Earth. You wouldn't expect the person governing the entire Federation to be personally making decisions about one planet's security deployment. Like they wrote him as Earth president then said he was Federation president.

@Timo

He seemed very concerned about his public image and being blamed for ruining paradise. Plus the word 'President' has connotations of being elected in some form by the public. True there's no proof but the simplest reading of implied things in TV shows is usually the correct one.
 
One thing that strikes me often enough is that most of the major planets in the ST universe, Vulcan, Kronos, Romulus, Cardassia, Bajor etc are all unified to the point where there are no countries and usually a shared language. The one exception is Earth (I think) which still have countries altough it seems that they are all more or less adapted to a western european cultural hegemony.

So are there any examples where a planet actually have countries with different cultures, it seems to be impossible for a whole planet to have one culture and one language in real life, but in Star Trek there are several. Would be very refreshing with a Vulcan who comes from some other culture then Spocks, but yeah, would be hard for the show to implement.

Actually the idea of one language emerging is not too far fetched, because this century thousands of languages are likely to become extinct, as literacy and standardization whittle many tribal languages down to a few national ones, like Spanish, Mandarin, English, etc.

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Linguistic mono-cultures are not as unrealistic as they seem - and probably Vulcan, Kronos, etc, only superficially seem like mono-cultures - Bajor seemed to have many regions - probably as different from one another as our major countries. But differences can seem more and more minor when in a planetary union - like within the European Union, there is hardly any difference between the lifestyle of a German and French citizen - but only 70 years ago, they were at war. Maybe people in those Bajoran uniforms are similar; we just don't hear them talk about national differences.

We have little evidence for how the Federation is actually run, probably by design, to keep it from getting outdated when some real historical events actually happen. But judging by how Andoria has something called an Imperial Guard, and Vulcan has it's own traditions, the British flag can be seen on some buildings on Earth, etc, I recon that perhaps the Federation is a natural hodge-podge of development resulting in union of worlds with similar levels of humanoid rights, just like real life Earth has a hodge podge of overlapping treaties and differing engagement that trend toward more peace. As opposed to a centralized republic that forced standardization on United Earth and Vulcan.

Maybe events like Brexit can actually still happen in the Federation - we simply don't know what planetary politics is like - just imagine that it is much more of an academic thing when this happens, since being a post-scarcity society, people don't actually die from depression and unemployment, if say Britain chooses to exit the United Federation of Planets for some obscure national/local reason for a few decades, such as objection to changes in the school curriculum or something (I dunno, I'm just making it up, I dunno what would get people riled in a post-scarcity society).
 
He seemed very concerned about his public image and being blamed for ruining paradise.

This would probably not depend on whether his career hinged on public opinion or not. He just wants to do a good job, or not utterly botch it at any rate.

Plus the word 'President' has connotations of being elected in some form by the public.

Not really. Most presidents in this world get elected by a board at most.

True there's no proof but the simplest reading of implied things in TV shows is usually the correct one.

There is no "correct" reading of fiction. But the simplest is probably the least appealing, as there is no inherent virtue in simplicity, least of all in drama, and there's always the threat of simple equating dull.

Timo Saloniemi
 
it seems to be impossible for a whole planet to have one culture and one language in real life
As a natural process I would agree, if leaders decide on a "official language," and were willing to impose enough force, say one language in the schools, or exclusion for speaking the wrong language, then moving a population over time to one language (or culture) would be possible.
Isn't that horribly unfair toward the Vulcan minority living on Earth who'd like to vote the same way about a UFP issue as their relatives on Vulcan do
Depends on how the voting occurs, do all your votes go back to (whatever) home planet you have regardless of where you are, or is it the planet your on at the moment? Can the Bolian crewmember on a Andorian freighter in Earth orbit vote in his home town elections?
only ever witnessed on select few worlds (such as Ardana in "The Cloud Minders")
And The Cloud Minders seem to make clear that while Ardana had certain obligations, the Federation didn't have total power to tell the local government what to do.
You wouldn't expect the person governing the entire Federation to be personally making decisions about one planet's security deployment
This would be something like the UN secretary general personally directing a police raid on a crack house in some small town in Kansas.
 
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