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How the Romulans and Romulus Went Out in and After Nemesis, So Many Problems

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It was an insult to Spock's efforts of converting the Romulan people to work with the Vulcans and in turn become Federation allies and a benign force in the galaxy.

They blew it up in J.J. Abrams to make things dramatic, but it still wasn't really an ending that I, and other fans wanted. It was still better than Nemesis. I'm guessing that they did that so we wouldn't really need to worry about another come back of the Romulan Star Empire.

The books were pretty cool spin off this misplay, IMO. I am about to read Shinzon during the Dominion War during its anthology and the U.S.S. Titan try to influence the Romulan government to stabilize for the Federation.

Couldn't they have done it a different way? Star Trek: Nemesis seemed like it would be a good movie, but it wasn't.
 
I have no problem with the writers breaking their toys in innovative ways. "Character assassination" is what made Worf popular, say.

And yes, ST:NEM could have been a winner. It just happened to fail on every single thing it tried to do, is all. Nothing wrong with the premise...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Nemesis had a lot of potential and a lot of different storylines to work with. Unfortunately, the characters were rather out of character, and changes made really made no sense.

Regardless of what Abrams' did, it has little bearing on what Spock was trying to do in TNG. Nemesis pretty much undid it by killing the entire Romulan government anyway.
 
fireproof78 said:
Regardless of what Abrams' did, it has little bearing on what Spock was trying to do in TNG. Nemesis pretty much undid it by killing the entire Romulan government anyway.
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People do seem to forget that. :lol:

It seems like Federation-Romulan relations took a far larger leap in a few hours, than it did during all of Spock's years on Romulus.
 
fireproof78 said:
Nemesis had a lot of potential and a lot of different storylines to work with. Unfortunately, the characters were rather out of character, and changes made really made no sense.

Regardless of what Abrams' did, it has little bearing on what Spock was trying to do in TNG. Nemesis pretty much undid it by killing the entire Romulan government anyway.
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That is true, but the Romulans that survived in other parts of the universe and fought against the Tal Shiar in Star Trek Online.
 
VulcanMindBlown said:
That is true, but the Romulans that survived in other parts of the universe and fought against the Tal Shiar in Star Trek Online.
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Do you think that the Tal Shiar would allow for reunification? Why would any Romulan survivors trust the Vulcans?

There are a lot more moving parts to this than just Romulus blowing up. Spock disappeared, and any leaders who were pro-reunification were likely killed. So, the question becomes, who is left to carry on that vision?
 
I've come to apreciate hard twists in storytelling. Maybe not as much as a Game of Thrones story but still, Star Trek sort of needed one, so why not this one. All of Spocks hard work was worthless and he pretty much died (in the prime universe) Why the hell not.

Sometimes "what the fans wanted" is just dumbed down, cliche and made to feel good, instead of telling an amazing story.
 
It's fiction, so things can be changed and then changed again. I'm sure if TPTB ever decided to forward again with Trek (beyond Nemesis), they'd have no problems bringing back the Romulans. If they were so inclined, they'd probably just toss out a throwaway line about a "New Romulus" and move on from there with whatever story was at hand. If they want to do more with the Romulans and dig a little deeper with them, then they'd could go into greater detail about what happened after the loss of their original homeworld.
 
What I don't get is that the Romulans are descendants of Vulcans. When they left Vulcan they had FTL ships. Why would they confine the bulk of their people on ONE planet? Why wouldn't they be on several, similarly populated planets? Like at least a few dozens of them. In that case the destruction of Romulus would have meant the loss of only a fraction of their population, made smaller if some of them had time to escape.
 
locutus101 said:
What I don't get is that the Romulans are descendants of Vulcans. When they left Vulcan they had FTL ships. Why would they confine the bulk of their people on ONE planet? Why wouldn't they be on several, similarly populated planets? Like at least a few dozens of them. In that case the destruction of Romulus would have meant the loss of only a fraction of their population, made smaller if some of them had time to escape.
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Does this help?
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Romulan_history
 
If they ever revisited the post Nemesis time frame (which is highly unlikely, for the record), the Romulan race would still be there as their empire and influence spread quite far. Sure there is the shock of the loss of Romulus, but any story could conceivably continue.

At the end of Nemesis, peace talks were suggested, and also the presence of Spock on Romulus prior to Star Trek (2009) would suggest Unification talks were still ongoing.
 
Seven of Five said:
If they ever revisited the post Nemesis time frame (which is highly unlikely, for the record), the Romulan race would still be there as their empire and influence spread quite far. Sure there is the shock of the loss of Romulus, but any story could conceivably continue.

At the end of Nemesis, peace talks were suggested, and also the presence of Spock on Romulus prior to Star Trek (2009) would suggest Unification talks were still ongoing.
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But would the unification still be in the picture after the destruction of romulus?
 
The destruction of Romulus is played out on a much larger scale than your potential East and West Germany scenario. The end of one planet would not mean that the whole race was wiped out.
 
Seven of Five said:
The destruction of Romulus is played out on a larger scale than that of East and West Germany. The destruction of one planet would not mean that the whole race was wiped out.
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No, and the destruction of Germany would not mean that every single german was wiped out, but you'd think they would have slightly other things on their mind, is what I'm trying to say here.
 
Seven of Five said:
The destruction of Romulus is played out on a much larger scale than your potential East and West Germany scenario. The end of one planet would not mean that the whole race was wiped out.
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In fact, it's likely that Romulus represented only a small portion of the Romulan population.
 
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