A lot of people have expressed disappointment on how Voyager got home in "Endgame". So what would have been a better way for Voyager to have gotten home?
How should Voyager have gotten home?
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They shouldn't have gotten home at all in my opinion. For me there were still many fantastic adventures for this crew in the Delta Quadrant.
Except getting home is the climax of the series, if they didn't get home the audience would felt cheated because that was built up so much and there would have no adventures in the DQ anyway because the show would have ended and Voyager was not going to get a movie.
What would the climax be if they don't go home?
They shouldn't have gotten home at all in my opinion. For me there were still many fantastic adventures for this crew in the Delta Quadrant.
Except getting home is the climax of the series, if they didn't get home the audience would felt cheated because that was built up so much and there would have no adventures in the DQ anyway because the show would have ended and Voyager was not going to get a movie.
I disagree. Star Trek: Voyager was about a group trying to make their way through a hostile environment. The arrival home was never going to measure up to what fans had built up in their minds and only served as a let down to those who watched the show.
Sometimes it's simply best to allow a show to ride off into the sunset without a set conclusion. It wasn't like them getting home in the finale served the long-term interests of the show in any way. There wasn't going to be increased ratings for the next episodes... because it was over.
Had I been in charge of the show I probably would've ended it with a "will they? won't they?" cliffhanger, with Janeway on an obliterated bridge as Voyager rammed a Borg cube.
I would have gotten them home via a stable wormhole they create or a super-FTL engine they found earlier in the show. Then they'd make the choice to return back to the area they came from on a now official mission from the Federation and pretty much just end it there. They can go home when they want but now they're in control and don't have the total desire to just run back home.
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I would have had Seven Of Nine do some wicked cool Borg magic. 
. You know, Crichton going home but realizing he has to leave again and settle things in the Uncharted Territories? Something noble like that?
Remember the Vaaduar? The guys with those subspace corridors? I would have brought them back. I thought they were awesome foes, and I think that not having them return was a waste of potential excitement. Those corridors might have extended pretty far toward the Federation.
They shouldn't have gotten home at all in my opinion. For me there were still many fantastic adventures for this crew in the Delta Quadrant.
Naw. They were about to enter the Beta Quadrant toward the end of season seven.
I love the finale.
However, I think that it would have been even more awesome if they did it by coming up with their own technology to hold off the Borg. Seven could have worked with everyone on that. Why did it have to be from the future? What if they had discovered some planet that had some mineral composition that couldn't be destroyed? They could have had a whole episode around that and then later they create these shields with Seven's help and the plan to go into the nebula knowing there is a conduit there.
I think it would have been great if one of the crew chose to stay in a ship to destroy it. Better yet, a replica of the doctors program, which could have been introduced earlier in the season through some accident in the holodeck. Then they decide to keep the two doctors because why wouldn't you want a second doctor? That would have made for some interesting added scenes in season seven. They have exactly the same experiences until the new one is created. Then they diverge into unique individuals. Do that for about 4 episodes. Find the planet with the indestructible alloy. Then in the finale have one of the doctors choose to stay in the conduit.
I thought that up off the top of my head. Surely they could have thought up some way to not use a future Janeway, but I think they really wanted to do that to give a sense of what the future would hold, but it ended up being a cheat most didn't care for.
However, I think that it would have been even more awesome if they did it by coming up with their own technology to hold off the Borg. Seven could have worked with everyone on that. Why did it have to be from the future? What if they had discovered some planet that had some mineral composition that couldn't be destroyed? They could have had a whole episode around that and then later they create these shields with Seven's help and the plan to go into the nebula knowing there is a conduit there.
I think it would have been great if one of the crew chose to stay in a ship to destroy it. Better yet, a replica of the doctors program, which could have been introduced earlier in the season through some accident in the holodeck. Then they decide to keep the two doctors because why wouldn't you want a second doctor? That would have made for some interesting added scenes in season seven. They have exactly the same experiences until the new one is created. Then they diverge into unique individuals. Do that for about 4 episodes. Find the planet with the indestructible alloy. Then in the finale have one of the doctors choose to stay in the conduit.
I thought that up off the top of my head. Surely they could have thought up some way to not use a future Janeway, but I think they really wanted to do that to give a sense of what the future would hold, but it ended up being a cheat most didn't care for.
Something that involved Suspiria.
That could've worked.
I really wanted them to do it on their own rather than be helped. That's the part of the finale that I don't like... that it was a cheat. I wish they had figured out how to do it on their own without help from the future or Suspiria or Q.
Future Janeway was the worst thing about the finale. The finale was about her and she just gives the crew all the technology and instructions as opposed to them doing it. It's like halfway to "These are the Voyages...". And yes, it is a lame version of "Timeless", and Future Janeway is heartless because she didn't go back 1 month further to save family many Lt. Carey.
They should've taken that exit ramp back to the Delta Quadrant in the transwarp conduit. From there...
- either they have to keep traveling through the Beta Quadrant, where they could rest on their laurels with knocking out the Borg for a while.
- or maybe they should have learned there was a wormhole back to familiar space in the Alpha or Beta quadrants... but it was in one of the stretches they leaped hundreds to thousands of light years over!
I would have preferred some kind of "boss parade" gauntlet through a transwarp corridor kind of stream, like fighting 1 Borg vessel, Hirogen ship, a Krenim warship, a Vidiian warship, some kind of giant space whale or telepathic pitcher plant. "Shattered" had the right idea but in the wrong placement. How? Either some kind of time-space-stream concept or some advanced aliens willing to transport Voyager to Earth, but only if they survive their greatest adversaries all fought in sequence without any resting or refueling, a battle for those aliens' amusement. If they're advanced enough, the adversaries can be full replicas made from the ship's logs and the crew's memories.
They should've taken that exit ramp back to the Delta Quadrant in the transwarp conduit. From there...
- either they have to keep traveling through the Beta Quadrant, where they could rest on their laurels with knocking out the Borg for a while.
- or maybe they should have learned there was a wormhole back to familiar space in the Alpha or Beta quadrants... but it was in one of the stretches they leaped hundreds to thousands of light years over!
I would have preferred some kind of "boss parade" gauntlet through a transwarp corridor kind of stream, like fighting 1 Borg vessel, Hirogen ship, a Krenim warship, a Vidiian warship, some kind of giant space whale or telepathic pitcher plant. "Shattered" had the right idea but in the wrong placement. How? Either some kind of time-space-stream concept or some advanced aliens willing to transport Voyager to Earth, but only if they survive their greatest adversaries all fought in sequence without any resting or refueling, a battle for those aliens' amusement. If they're advanced enough, the adversaries can be full replicas made from the ship's logs and the crew's memories.
I like this idea quite a lot, sucker for games that I am! I also believe this idea would be even better with a cool boss battle theme.
Although I did like "Shattered."As for me, well, I would have personally liked Voyager to get home in a movie.
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If there was more Vaadwaur footage, I think I would have used those guys as the major villains in that video instead - like AuntKate said, they were pretty cool aliens, and I think it was clear the writers were setting up those tunnels as one potential route home. Oh, well. Plenty of Borg footage to work with.
froot. Wow. That trailer was just...completely amazing! A very cool idea. Much cooler than the one I was going to suggest before watching your vid, which is that they realize halfway through season 7 that Chakotay's tattoo is actually a map back to the Alpha Quadrant. 
Your proposed release date for the Voyager movie would be my baby girl's 371st birthday.
Your proposed release date for the Voyager movie would be my baby girl's 371st birthday.
It is curious that on one hand, I was deeply disappointed - even angry after watching Endgame, and on the other hand, precious little aspects of it need fixing.
What I liked and would keep:
What I liked and would keep:
- Admiral Janeway. The idea of them getting home by having the bad guy win for a change - it's dark, twisted and cool.
- The business with the Borg and their transwarp conduits. When it comes to the Borg, Voyager kept on beating a dead horse (and then some), but that was part of their shtick from season 4 onward. Doing anything else in the finale would have been odd.
- Apparently, the writers thought that since All Good Things... and Timeless are rather popular with fans, it would be okay to have large chunks of Endgame ripping off those two. Newsflash: It ain't okay. If a series finale is not even half-original, the taste it will leave in your mouth is a rather stale one.
- Closure. Why not simply cut out all the All Good Things... stuff, use the time to have Voyager return two-thirds into the episode instead of at the very end, then deal with families, loved ones and the general heartbreak of getting home. If a bang at the end is what's absolutely required, have the business of the Borg popping out of their transwarp conduit occur a few days after the homecoming.
froot. Wow. That trailer was just...completely amazing! A very cool idea. Much cooler than the one I was going to suggest before watching your vid, which is that they realize halfway through season 7 that Chakotay's tattoo is actually a map back to the Alpha Quadrant.
Your proposed release date for the Voyager movie would be my baby girl's 371st birthday.
Actually, I think I like your idea better.
It's actually the date Voyager gets lost in the DQ.
Happy 371st birthday, Little Markira!
