He's not lying. Read the article again.
Poll How positive are you about Discovery now?
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The people who want it to fail are kinda funny. It's like some of them think that the failure of Discovery will automatically result in CBS doing another Star Trek show they deem "correct."Oh my god, the level of over-reaction in this thread is off the scale. I'm not surprised, as it's really par for the course for Star Trek fans, but it's kind of funny watching people going in circles about every minor thing that supposedly substantiates that the show will suck. It almost comes across as people wanting it to fail. Personally, I'm still as excited as ever about the new show. Can't wait for the pilot!
Actually "not sending out screeners" does mean no one's being allowed to see it.
I don't want it to fail. I want it to be exceptional.
Star Trek is at a crossroads. And I think it may be make or break time for the franchise. With all they've got riding on it, if DSC isn't a runaway smash, CBS may just decide to ride it out and hang it up after that. And, on top of that, ST04 is in limbo as it is. So an under-performing DSC may completely extinguish any future it has, as well. We could end up in another Star Trek drought much longer than the last one.
And the thing is, by "exceptional," I really mean it. It has to stand out. Push the envelope. Be original and inspired. And really make some noise in the media. But nothing I've seen so far suggests it's going to be anything like that.
Quite the contrary. It seems like it's content on being safe and playing to a TV audience of 5-10 years ago while tucked away in its own little corner of the internet.
Are you daft? They are doing 2 screenings on the 19th, it's been stated over and over in this thread. If they sent out screeners to journalists they'd almost certainly be leaked considering the type of obsessive and at times entitled fan base star trek has.
Except all the people who will be at the screenings on the 19th...
Those screenings hardly will make a difference to the readers. Critics who aren't invited will just watch DIS on TV or online, write their review and will post it only a few hours later than the critics, which will get to see DIS earlier. And of course all their reviews will get less feedback than if they would be published days before the 24th. Many don't read reviews about series they have already seen themselves.
A couple of thoughts...
Crossroads? Well, it's important for the franchise. There are reasons to believe Discovery is already a "success" and is simply a relaunch point..ie: new project being worked on by Nick Meyer, as well as the Netflix deal which already makes it profitable (likely the sole indicator for Moonves) and has a renew option for season 2 and 3.
As pointed out in the Variety article, it will be difficult to tell just how successful the show is. There are no ratings, subscription numbers will be non-existent or vague from CBS, which leaves the CBS boss as the main determining voice of how successful it is in the long term, aside from the CBS premiere Neilsons.
Not sure where you see it playing it safe. It's completely different from the late Berman era: series format, writing format, production format. The look is a re-imagining. Yes, you 100% incorrect on this point, but you can continue with your preconceived notions.
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Crossroads? Well, it's important for the franchise. There are reasons to believe Discovery is already a "success" and is simply a relaunch point..ie: new project being worked on by Nick Meyer, as well as the Netflix deal which already makes it profitable (likely the sole indicator for Moonves) and has a renew option for season 2 and 3.
As pointed out in the Variety article, it will be difficult to tell just how successful the show is. There are no ratings, subscription numbers will be non-existent or vague from CBS, which leaves the CBS boss as the main determining voice of how successful it is in the long term, aside from the CBS premiere Neilsons.
Not sure where you see it playing it safe. It's completely different from the late Berman era: series format, writing format, production format. The look is a re-imagining. Yes, you 100% incorrect on this point, but you can continue with your preconceived notions.
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Regardless of popularity or critic reviews, Star Trek is definitely at a crossroads for me. Which depresses me as I've spent the last forty-plus years being a major fan.
I was happy with the Abrams films, revisiting old friends every couple of years made them feel special. After 700 hours, I'm just not sure how up I am going back to the weekly grind of TV, especially for a war show. Add into that that nothing feels special or has captured my imagination from the trailers, this well could be my last rodeo with weekly TV Trek.
My hope is that Discovery is a smashing success and leads folks to explore other facets of the franchise. It just may not be a smashing success in my little corner of the universe.
I was happy with the Abrams films, revisiting old friends every couple of years made them feel special. After 700 hours, I'm just not sure how up I am going back to the weekly grind of TV, especially for a war show. Add into that that nothing feels special or has captured my imagination from the trailers, this well could be my last rodeo with weekly TV Trek.
My hope is that Discovery is a smashing success and leads folks to explore other facets of the franchise. It just may not be a smashing success in my little corner of the universe.
In 2004 you had seen 700 hours of (official) Star Trek, and now 13 years later, you've seen 705 hours of (official) Star Trek.
It's possibly not the hours that are doing you in.
It's possibly not the hours that are doing you in.
Actually, no it doesn't. Read the article again.
1) Knock it off with the personal insults at the end.
2) Oh, so now TNG is crap? And DIS already vastly superious? But I'm the one jumpint to conclusions to early?
3) Yeah. The trailers for TNG had a LOT more of "bursting of creative ideas, wild imaginative plots, super strange new aliens and civilizations, and a very exploratory, wide-eyed tone towards the unknown" thatn the DIS trailers. Those have been almost 100% war'n'splosions and a look at the redesigned klingons. Might be that those trailers are 100% false, and DIS will be completely different, but I based on the things that are available to us, DIS looks like it has a lot of problems.
4)Yeah. I have not seen it yet. Thanks for repeating what I said. That doesn't mean we know nothing about it. In fact we know a whole lot about it. But that's why I can't say I like the characters already, because I have not seen it yet.
Yeah. They're great actors. Guess how many of those have already utter crap on their resume? All of them. That's what actors do. They act. In good things, and in bad things. They need that to live. And pay bills. Let's hope DIS is the former, not the latter of those things.
I have literally never ever seen a post here "wanting" it to fail. What I have seen dozens of times are people looking at DIS and saying "oh crap. Not again the SAME mistakes".
Look how many people gave DC crap for "Man of Steel", "Suicide Squad" and "BvS". And everyone was like "Oh, you guys want it to fail". Just because everyone was saying they are doing the stupid thing and try to have their super dark'n'gritty murderverse-variant of a superhero story. And suddenly: Wonder Woman. They studio finally does what it should have done: A hero story. And everyone loves it. Overwhelmingly! And everyone looks stupid "who would have guessed people want to see heroics in their hero stories?"
And now we're fans telling the producers: Star Trek is about explorers! Having adventures doing the exploring stuff! But no. They want to have their super dark'n'gritty murderverse-variant of a Trek story.Again. And people wonder why there are fans complaining...
I seriously must be watching completing different trailers and Star Trek than everyone else.
Yeah, the latter trailers have been better in at least aknowledging a more adventurous tone. But it doens#T change the fact that everything in those trailers is in connection to the war with the klingons...
Doesn't make it a "grimdarkmudermess" or whatever.
Yeah, and in a lot of the interviews the producers have repeatedly said that it won't all be dark, and grim, that there will be lighter moments, and that the show will stick to the optimistic tone we're used to with Trek.
Just because the trailers have emphasisized the darker aspect of the show, doesn't mean the show will have that same emphasis in every episode.
Just because the trailers have emphasisized the darker aspect of the show, doesn't mean the show will have that same emphasis in every episode.
