Poll How positive are you about Discovery now?
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Vague similarities is how I would judge the movie Enterprise against the Excelsior, so I'll stipulate our definition of vague is different.
Secondly, sure whatever. Enjoy your head canon. I enjoy mine too, but it has nothing to do with the comparison of these 2 designs. I also clearly stated that I liked that they copied it so cool that you like it too. high five.
Finally, I know it's not the main ship and I can assure you I don't stress over anything television related. Not in the world we currently live in. I won't avoid the show either because it reminds me of it.
Most of them.
You're kind of proving my point.
Really? Which starfleet ships are you referring to?
I really don't think I'm proving your point, but am glad I can amuse.
There aren't that many Starfleet ships in Enterprise.Really? Which starfleet ships are you referring to?
I really don't think I'm proving your point, but am glad I can amuse.
When you start a list of differences and changes, it proves my point.
Well that's the problem with our force estimation, Starfleet is a lot more than battlecruisers Like the NX Class or the Constitution class... Before the NX-01, Starfleet would have been about Dozens, to hundreds of much smaller ships with less than a dozen crew, zipping around Earth's solar system, and a century later Starfleet would have had thousands of ships that big to maintain all sorts of duties you wouldn't waste on one of their 12 constitution class ships.
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It absolutely is. Of course, one is behavior that is positive, constructive, and balanced. The other is not.
Lol, so is the other negative, constructive and balanced?
I still have hopeful in my reckoning..
Okay I just need to say it:
Funny how Enterprise got flak (and still does) for its "Akiraprise", but the Shenzhou really is just an Akira class, complete with pointy 24th century nacelles and hull textures.
I mean... eh
The only way the Shenzhou looks like the Akira is having a circular hull and nacelles underneath it. The Shenzhou has a single center hull extension that barely reaches past the rim of the saucer, while the Akira has twin booms that double the length of the ship and a rollbar between them, plus a deep 'belly' that then Shenzhou lacks. The Shenzhou is much closer to the Centaur class.
Also, the Akira lacks those 'pointy 24th century nacelles'. Actually I can't think of any 24th century ship other than the Sovereign and Prometheus that have 'pointy' nacelles. Certainly the Akira doesn't.
Somewhat negative but hopeful.
1) First I have no confidence in CBS to make any show I like. Any sci-fi show on network TV is going to make me nervous and I assume they will screw it up.
2) I have no interest in ordering CBS all access to watch one show. I think the general populace will have no idea the show exists and ratings will suffer badly because of it. see 1 above. CBS will panic and do something dumb because of it. But not only does this show have to do well but being tied into a new business model of CBS forces an unnecessary complication. I am afraid the show will be canceled because of CBS all access and nothing to do with the quality of the show itself.
3) I'm still concerned that I haven't seen the ship in the trailer. The original ship in the teaser looked like dog crap IMO.
4) I was excited about Fuller doing DSC. With him off the show i am weary. See 1 above.
5) I'm concerned about the timeline being in the Prime universe. Prequels make me extremely nervous.
But I want the show to do well.
It looks like they are putting a lot of money into SFX and trying to put out a high quality show. So I hope the show can overcome #1 and 2 and do well.
1) First I have no confidence in CBS to make any show I like. Any sci-fi show on network TV is going to make me nervous and I assume they will screw it up.
2) I have no interest in ordering CBS all access to watch one show. I think the general populace will have no idea the show exists and ratings will suffer badly because of it. see 1 above. CBS will panic and do something dumb because of it. But not only does this show have to do well but being tied into a new business model of CBS forces an unnecessary complication. I am afraid the show will be canceled because of CBS all access and nothing to do with the quality of the show itself.
3) I'm still concerned that I haven't seen the ship in the trailer. The original ship in the teaser looked like dog crap IMO.
4) I was excited about Fuller doing DSC. With him off the show i am weary. See 1 above.
5) I'm concerned about the timeline being in the Prime universe. Prequels make me extremely nervous.
But I want the show to do well.
It looks like they are putting a lot of money into SFX and trying to put out a high quality show. So I hope the show can overcome #1 and 2 and do well.
Pure ratings are not as important on a streaming service as an ad-supported TV channel because it flips the whole model. In an ad-supported channel WE are the product being sold to advertisers. The show is not the product - it is a means to get eyeballs to sell which means those number of eyeballs are critical.
For streaming service, the show is actually now more the product to be sold and so success will be more based on subsriber numbers then anything. Yes, number of views and so forth will be tracked but it isn't as important. Yes, CBSAA does have an ad option on the lower tier but they really just need enough revenue from that to cover the $6.99 to $9.99 cost difference. Don't have to support the whole show on that.
CBS is going to be doing a lot of promotion for the show and the first episode wll be on CBS proper. It is just too early right now to start that media campaign When it is closer to time for the show a lot more people will know about it.
Glad I've amused you.
Why don't you look around on this message board and other social media dedicated to discussion of Star Trek Discovery and answer that question for yourself.
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No, the other side is just negative. Beyond it, actually. More complete and utter contempt at further desecration of plywood, styrofoam and velour, wishing it would die a horrible death because it doesn't look in a few total minutes of screen time like anything they saw on a 50 year old television series.
Ironic, given that they call themselves fans of a series that's supposed to uphold hopeful and positive attitudes.
Agree, Gene Roddenberry himself established with TMP [novel and the film] that it is totally acceptable. Carbon copy continuity and canon is not always the goal.
Ok, kisses are always welcome.
Just because canon rewrites have happened before doesn't mean they are a good thing that should be emulated for the best possible outcome. There is a risk in changing things, sometimes it may work or not. Maybe it works but would've been way better another way. New isn't automatically better unless it is actually better.
I also think there is a false assumption that anyone who doesn't love the redesigns hates any redesign, rather than this specific one. I like past redesigns of the Klingons, but hate this one, for example.
I also think there is a somewhat contradicting mission statement here - Discovery is all about 'changing' things, but we seem to be stuck in the extremely well trodden TOS era with TOS characters relatives.
I also think there is a false assumption that anyone who doesn't love the redesigns hates any redesign, rather than this specific one. I like past redesigns of the Klingons, but hate this one, for example.
I also think there is a somewhat contradicting mission statement here - Discovery is all about 'changing' things, but we seem to be stuck in the extremely well trodden TOS era with TOS characters relatives.
TOS is the least trodden. Just three seasons.
You can't have better without risk. Star Wars is a good example. The Prequals disappointed people but at least Lucas tried something new. Can't say the same with Force awakens.
People who complain the loudest only want their VISION of Trek. I still hate Abramprise and Chris Pine but If I let my hate control me, I would miss out on Star Trek Beyond and Wonder Woman .
There is a limit to how much you can change the fundamental premise of ST. DS9 pushed it but we had the foundation of TNG so it was OK. Discovery litteraly has to relaunch the franchise AGAIN. Best to be a bit conseravtive.
