Poll How positive are you about Discovery now?

[BillJ]

The last time Star Trek was actually about the characters, was the later season of DS9. Where the characters were more important than what happened to them.

Yet its ratings continued to fall. I don't know what way is the right way, but I prefer the characters reacting to events, the events drawing out who they are, not having their personal struggles being the center of everything.

I can get that from Mad Men and a hundred other shows currently.

 

[Ometiklan]

...The last time Star Trek was actually about the characters, was the later season of DS9. Where the characters were more important than what happened to them.

Yet its ratings continued to fall. I don't know what way is the right way, but I prefer the characters reacting to events, the events drawing out who they are, not having their personal struggles being the center of everything.

I can get that from Mad Men and a hundred other shows currently.

I agree that there needs to be a balance. Too much dependence on character issues gets you too soap opera-y and has too little importance, and too much plot means boring lifeless characters and can be un-engaging. I want to see events engage, draw out and change characters, and characters actively affecting events based on their personalities and history and world view. Both are needed. I think DS9 did a good job with this balance only rarely getting too far into the soap-opera/interpersonal relationship trap, with Voyager going too far toward having plots with non-evolving characters. I am a little wary that over-serialization will push Discovery a little too far into soap opera territory, but I am hopeful they won't.

 

[Fateor]

Given what we have been shown so far I have a very distinct feeling that Star Trek Discovery will be the Stargate Universe of the Star Trek series.

 

[Tuskin38]

Given what we have been shown so far I have a very distinct feeling that Star Trek Discovery will be the Stargate Universe of the Star Trek series.

A show that got way better in the second season?

I hope so. Though I hope more that it is good in the first.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

A show that got way better in the second season?

I hope so. Though I hope more that it is good in the first.

TNG wasn't that great in it's first two seasons, then started to pick up in the third as well. It's all going to be subjective as to who will like the first season of this series.

My thinking is this "Saturday announcement" may have something to do with CBS committing to a second season. Just a thought.

 

[Fateor]

A show that got way better in the second season?

I hope so. Though I hope more that it is good in the first.

Stargate Universe didn't get better in the second season, it got better in the back half of the second season.

And while it's certainly possible that the very likely bad ratings of season 1 will cause the producers to step in and force the directors to reverse some of their bad decisions for season 2 or the second half of season 1, it's just as likely those bad decisions lead to the show being cancelled without even getting a chance for season 2.

 

[Tuskin38]

I thought they already had 2 seasons ordered?

 

[pst]

Given what we have been shown so far I have a very distinct feeling that Star Trek Discovery will be the Stargate Universe of the Star Trek series.

that was the only stargate show i enjoyed, so i'm down for that.

but can you elaborate on that? as a non-stargate guy, i'm super curious.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I thought they already had 2 seasons ordered?

Did they? My apologies. I wasn't sure if there was only one ordered now or 2 committed.

 

[Mudd]

Meh, the older Trekkies will disappear before Reboot Trek does.

 

[JD]

I think TNG was just more appealing to the mainstream audience, they took one look at DS9 (as evidences by high viewing numbers for "Emissary") and decided this isn't for them. Only the hardcore fans remained, and even some of them left because DS9 wasn't "traditional" Trek in several ways and was ahead of its time. Franchise fatigue came later.

I didn't realize DS9 struggled that bad in the ratings, I had always thought it was pretty level with TNG, and that drop off didn't really start until the later seasons of Voyager.
I have to wonder how DS9 does on the streaming services today? The whole style of the later seasons of the show probably fit in with modern series better than it did with most of the shows on at the same time it was.

 

[Tuskin38]

Did they? My apologies. I wasn't sure if there was only one ordered now or 2 committed.

I'm not even sure now.

Edit:

Ah I see, I was confused by the whole splitting season 1 in half.

 

[BillJ]

Meh, the older Trekkies will disappear before Reboot Trek does.

God. I just realized I'm an "older Trekkie" now!

In my day, we just had Vulcan! None of this New Vulcan mumbo-jumbo!

 

[Cake]

A show that got way better in the second season?

I hope so. Though I hope more that it is good in the first.

Outside of a season 2 episode with McKay as a guest character, I didn't bother watching season 2. Season 1 was just so horrible. The characters were so unlikeable that I just hoped they would all die in a gruesome painful way. I guess that is why "Time" was the only decent SGU episode I have seen.

I really hope that DIS will be at least good in its dark and gritty way. I generally prefer series with some fun and humour in it, but if DIS is at least written well and the characters are halfway likeable, the series might be watchable. If it is like SGU I am not sure if I will watch it all despite being a big Star Trek fan.

 

[Tuskin38]

Outside of a season 2 episode with McKay as a guest character, I didn't bother watching season 2. Season 1 was just so horrible. The characters were so unlikeable that I just hoped they would all die in a gruesome painful way. I guess that is why "Time" was the only decent SGU episode I have seen.

I really hope that DIS will be at least good in its dark and gritty way. I generally prefer series with some fun and humour in it, but if DIS is at least written well and the characters are halfway likeable, the series might be watchable. If it is like SGU I am not sure if I will watch it all despite being a big Star Trek fan.

You should really watch season 2, it is way better then Season 1.

 

[BillJ]

Even if I hate Discovery, I'm sure I'll tune in for all fifteen episodes. Can't bitch-and-moan if I'm not watching it.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

God. I just realized I'm an "older Trekkie" now!

In my day, we just had Vulcan! None of this New Vulcan mumbo-jumbo!

I read tweets from fans who congratulate TNG on 30 years, and saying they were either not born yet or 5 years old when it premiered.

Then I think I was 15 when "Encounter at Farpoint" debuted! I feel old!

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Even if I hate Discovery, I'm sure I'll tune in for all fifteen episodes. Can't bitch-and-moan if I'm not watching it.

Yes you can. Other people do.

 

[BillJ]

I read tweets from fans who congratulate TNG on 30 years, and saying they were either not born yet or 5 years old when it premiered.

Then I think I was 15 when "Encounter at Farpoint" debuted! I feel old!

TNG premiered two days before my 16th birthday here in Cincinnati.

 

[BillJ]

Yes you can. Other people do.

I don't like to feel stupid when other people cut my complaining to shreds because I have no idea of what I'm talking about. Pride is going to cost me at least $5.99 a month.