How much longer till she'd have boffed him?

[Malcom]

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HRHTheKING said:
To be honest, I don't think Janeway swung that way.

Why?

 

[HRHTheKING]

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I don't know. Just a feeling. A hunch.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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O! I get it! You think Mark and that bloke from Workforce who was the pappy from Charmed were both trannies?

 

[HRHTheKING]

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It's possible.

The Star Trek universe can be a strange place.

 

[I Love Chakotay]

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Guy Gardener said:
O! I get it! You think Mark and that bloke from Workforce who was the pappy from Charmed were both trannies?

I don't care if she swung through the trees doing Tarzan impressions. In my little world she was straight, and it was one more day. Each to their own though :thumbsup:

 

[Brennyren]

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I'm not a whole lot of a J/Cer, but it seemed clear to me that they'd already done the deed. And it went just fine, because it looked as if they were planning to do it again. Watch the body language during that scene where he's telling her about the boat (right before Tuvok calls). They're obviously physically comfortable with one another -- no unresolved sexual tension there.

What's with all the Chakotay hate I'm reading here, anyway?

 

[Guy Gardener]

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He was my penis puppet I was living vicariously through as far as this science fiction show was concerned, and every time he didn't get any, or HID while he got some, then I didn't get any by proxy.

Sawyer on Lost comes through for me all the time.

 

[kimc]

Guartho said:
That's also why he eventually ends up with Seven. In addition to being the only available woman with the capacity to recreate that link she also has no previous sexual experience and has a serious medical need to keep from getting too excited. Lucky Chakotay is covered on both fronts.

Best defense of C/7 ever!

 

[Brennyren]

I think y'all (or, as we say in western Pennsylvania, yunz) are selling Chak short here. Any guy who's as focused on making his partner happy as he would be, would find plenty of ways to make things exciting.

Not to mention the inescapable hotness of his portrayer. As my grandma used to say of certain guys (and the fact that I had a grandmother who would say this well after she became a grandmother probably tells you a lot about the women in my family ), "I wouldn't kick that one out of bed for eating crackers." Voyager-era Beltran certainly fits that category for this fangirl! And it would seem the hotness has a certain appeal for Seven as well.

 

[Malcom]

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HRHTheKING said:
I don't know. Just a feeling. A hunch.

You need to read this article:

Wash Post: The Myth of the Iron Lady

The driving factor in the way women leaders are perceived, experiments show, is not that they are any more ruthless than men who get to the top, but that people have strong and often unconscious conceptions about men, women and the nature of leadership.


Experiments show that women vying for leadership roles are automatically assigned two labels. The first is to be seen as nice and warm, but incompetent; the second is to be seen as competent but unpleasant. Women stuck with Label A cannot be leaders, because the stereotype of leadership is incompatible with incompetence. Women who do become leaders get stuck with Label B, because if leadership is unconsciously associated with manliness, cognitive consistency requires that female leaders be stripped of the caring qualities normally associated with women.


Heilman proved that the reason people see a highly competent woman as less likable than a man with precisely the same qualifications is that such women are automatically perceived to have lost their feminine, caring side.

Then, there's this article from the Miami Herald:

Leonard Pitts column

Nancy Pelosi, Janet Reno, Condoleezza Rice, Madeleine Albright . . . I cannot see myself -- we are speaking metaphorically here -- cuddling up to any of them. They all seem formidable, off-putting, cold.


Which suggests the problem here is not so much them as me. And, if I may be so bold, we. As in, we seem unable to synthesize the idea that a woman can be smart, businesslike, demanding, capable, in charge, and yet also, warm.


Was Bill Clinton never brusque? Does Dick Cheney always say thank you and please?


But it's different, isn't it, because she's a woman? With the men, toughness reads as leadership, authority, getting things done. With her it reads as ''bitch.'' There is a sense -- and even women buy into this -- that a woman who climbs too high in male-dominated spheres violates something fundamental to our understanding of what it means to be a woman. Indeed, that she gives up any claim upon femininity itself.


We demand certain ''feminine'' traits from women -- nurturing, caring, submission -- and the woman in whom those traits are either not present or subordinated to her drive, ambition and competence will pay a social price.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Just this morning I was watching the episode of Ally McBeal where Richard Fish hits on, and fingers Janet Reno's waddle. There's reams of dialog in there about how women with power are sexy.

 

[Malcom]

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Guy Gardener said:
Just this morning I was watching the episode of Ally McBeal where Richard Fish hits on, and fingers Janet Reno's waddle. There's reams of dialog in there about how women with power are sexy.

Hey, what real man wouldn't like a go at a woman who can rassle a gator?

Good one, Guy!

 

[propita]

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I think they were already lovers by that garden/boat scene. Why?

Janeway was all into finding a cure. She hadn't planted a garden yet, let alone have the seedlings grown. That imolies at least a bit if time. Plenty of time to have been lovers--and Chak was looking quite good then.

AND, she had that double-f look in that scene. So did he.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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She was still in the "move mountains and change the courses of mighty rivers" stage to make her take her pants off. I'm not sure he even knew what her naked knees looked like, little lone her naked hips.

 

[kimc]

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Malcom: Interesting post. Reminds me of a recent study I read where women who smile "too much" at work are seen as less intelligent. Deciding that may be the cause of the bumps on my head from hitting the glass ceiling I resolved to be more serious at work.

Unfortunately, my co-workers kept insisting on telling me jokes to "cheer me up" so there went that plan.

<sigh>

 

[Malcom]

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Guy Gardener said:
Just this morning I was watching the episode of Ally McBeal where Richard Fish hits on, and fingers Janet Reno's waddle. There's reams of dialog in there about how women with power are sexy.

One more thing about Reno, here in DC she was often referred to as "The Swamp Thing." Not necessarily an insult, either. No one believed it was her mother, not she, who rassled gators, especially since she was seen in a prominent restaurant demonstrating how it's done.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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From How I met your mother the other day

Rhonda: "When was the last time you had a conversation w2ith a woman with no intention of scoring with her?"

Barney "I sat next to former secretary of State Madeline Albright at a benefit once, i certainly didn't intend to hit that."

Then theres the classic line from Family guy.

"I'd sleep with Magaret Thatcher. What? Doesn't nay one find power sexy?!!!!"

 

[Malcom]

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GuyG, there was a recent article and photograph of Albright attending some social event here in DC on Robert Redford's arm. It noted - with horror! - that she is seven months younger than Redford!

Folks I know that know Albright say that she can be a real riot. She didn't mind the joke of being referred to as 'Halfbright'. But sexy, I wouldn't want to speculate. At least she's not so big that when she dances at the office Christmas party you don't have to clear the floor so no one gets hurt like you had to do with Reno.

I'll save the discussion on the fact that Eleanor Roosevelt seems to have been the first, first lady with a handsome boytoy for another day. Ain't women complicated?