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How Many Viewers did "Voyager" Lose?

TedShatner10

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Even though Voyager was a flagship show for UPN, must've done well overseas, and ultimately had higher ratings than either DS9 and ENT, but still its ratings decline was still rather sharp (especially in its earlier seasons).

Does anybody have actual viewer numbers for this show in North America?
 
had higher ratings than either DS9?

Doubtful. DS9 was first-run syndication, although some places did drop it in the final season, causing some towns and cities to scramble to find it.

VOY was on UPN, which was quite patchy distribution, IIRC, and much lower ratings.
 
-Withers- Withers, I know others have mentioned it, and your centered texts might look attractive and unique to you, but they are really annoying!


Then, all due respect, don't effing read them. You'd make it seem as though every time I posted it was like seeing Las Vegas after trekking through the desert, Christ.


-Withers-​
 
had higher ratings than either DS9?

Doubtful. DS9 was first-run syndication, although some places did drop it in the final season, causing some towns and cities to scramble to find it.

VOY was on UPN, which was quite patchy distribution, IIRC, and much lower ratings.
exactly, therin. DS9 and TNG had many more american markets to draw from than did VOY since not everyone had a UPN station.

but, to everyone else (especially you niner fans who love to bash VOY) here's the graph that makes your case.

startreknielsenratingaverage2.jpg
 
-Withers- Withers, I know others have mentioned it, and your centered texts might look attractive and unique to you, but they are really annoying!



Then, all due respect, don't effing read them. You'd make it seem as though every time I posted it was like seeing Las Vegas after trekking through the desert, Christ.​



-Withers-​

No, I just think of someone getting "arty" in MS Word making wedding invitations...
 
-Withers- Withers, I know others have mentioned it, and your centered texts might look attractive and unique to you, but they are really annoying!



Then, all due respect, don't effing read them. You'd make it seem as though every time I posted it was like seeing Las Vegas after trekking through the desert, Christ.​



-Withers-​
:lol:

For what it worth, I like the way you post.
It reminds me of how poetry is written.
I don't see what all the fuss is about it.
 
For what it worth, I like the way you post.
It reminds me of how poetry is written.
I don't see what all the fuss is about it.

All the whining and complaining about having to shift their eyes every so slightly to the right in order to read my posts (made free of charge) led to moderator involvement where I was essentially told "knock it off or we'll warn/ban you." So they win. But, for what its worth, I really appreciate that you liked the first 250 posts I made :)


-Withers-​
 
For what it worth, I like the way you post.
It reminds me of how poetry is written.
I don't see what all the fuss is about it.

All the whining and complaining about having to shift their eyes every so slightly to the right in order to read my posts (made free of charge) led to moderator involvement where I was essentially told "knock it off or we'll warn/ban you." So they win. But, for what its worth, I really appreciate that you liked the first 250 posts I made :)



-Withers-​
It's unforttunate they did win.

So much for diversity, huh?
 
For what it worth, I like the way you post.
It reminds me of how poetry is written.
I don't see what all the fuss is about it.

All the whining and complaining about having to shift their eyes every so slightly to the right in order to read my posts (made free of charge) led to moderator involvement where I was essentially told "knock it off or we'll warn/ban you." So they win. But, for what its worth, I really appreciate that you liked the first 250 posts I made :)


-Withers-​

Really? Not that it matters but which mod?
 
Voyager was unlucky to be aired only on UPN, a network that existed for just about ten years and never really managed to gain much of a toehold in America. In most markets, UPN refused to allow independent stations air Voyager unless they agreed to become affiliates--even though there was never much to offer except a few evening programs, like Voyager. Here is a quote from wikipedia:

Although it was considered a major network by the Neilson ratings, UPN was not available in all areas of the United States. In some areas, UPN programming was shown off-pattern by affiliates of other networks or by otherwise independent stations, such as in the case of KIKU-TV in Honolulu, Hawaii. Some affiliates were also known to extensively preempt network programming in order to broadcast local sporting events.

At its demise, UPN supposedly had about 200 affiliates, but that is misleading because many of the stations were not even carried on cable.

It's difficult to compare the ratings of TNG, DS9, and Voy because the first two were syndicated and Voy stuck with being a network show. I personally think that Voyager would have been much more popular if it had been marketed the way TNG and DS9 were, but we'll never know.
 
It would have, because then UPN wouldn't have rushed VOY into production (Berman wanted to wait til DS9 had been on longer, or until it ended), ordered them to not to arcs drop the Maquis tension.
 
I've read through a ton of interviews with Jeri Taylor and the other writers/producers of Star Trek Voyager and while I'll agree, their distaste for UPN becomes more and more obvious as they years go on, I have yet to find an example of them saying they were told to "abandon the Marquis angle" or that arc story telling was out of the question.

Can anyone provide a link to these interviews? (I'm honestly curious now what exactly they said.) I don't want a re-cap of the interview as told by Anwar, I want an actual transcript (please :)).

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This would seem to confirm it.


  • They Wasted A Perfectly Good Plot: According to some of Voyager's production staff (including the late Michael Piller), Voyager was a victim of Executive Meddling. UPN execs wanted TNG-type ratings, and they decided the best way to achieve that was to turn Voyager into TNG-Lite. Hence little or no character conflict, no ongoing story arcs (for example, producer Brannon Braga wanted a year-long "Year of Hell" but UPN vetoed it), and various other flaws (real and imagined) the series had.
    • This is underlined by Ron D. Moore's stint on the series. He wrapped up DS 9 and then spent about three weeks on VOY's production staff before giving up for the above reasons (and more). He then went on to create a show about another spaceship that was left to its own devices in hostile territory, trying to find a way home. It's called Battlestar Galactica, it has all the things the Executive Meddlers veto'd, and it beat TNG's ratings. Coincidence?

But I'm still interested in reading more specifics from the original source (which this does not provide.)


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Voyager was unlucky to be aired only on UPN, a network that existed for just about ten years and never really managed to gain much of a toehold in America. In most markets, UPN refused to allow independent stations air Voyager unless they agreed to become affiliates--even though there was never much to offer except a few evening programs, like Voyager. Here is a quote from wikipedia:

Although it was considered a major network by the Neilson ratings, UPN was not available in all areas of the United States. In some areas, UPN programming was shown off-pattern by affiliates of other networks or by otherwise independent stations, such as in the case of KIKU-TV in Honolulu, Hawaii. Some affiliates were also known to extensively preempt network programming in order to broadcast local sporting events.

At its demise, UPN supposedly had about 200 affiliates, but that is misleading because many of the stations were not even carried on cable.

It's difficult to compare the ratings of TNG, DS9, and Voy because the first two were syndicated and Voy stuck with being a network show. I personally think that Voyager would have been much more popular if it had been marketed the way TNG and DS9 were, but we'll never know.

An excellent point that we all seem to forget about every time a ratings discussion comes up. :)
 
This would seem to confirm it.

  • They Wasted A Perfectly Good Plot: According to some of Voyager's production staff (including the late Michael Piller), Voyager was a victim of Executive Meddling. UPN execs wanted TNG-type ratings, and they decided the best way to achieve that was to turn Voyager into TNG-Lite. Hence little or no character conflict, no ongoing story arcs (for example, producer Brannon Braga wanted a year-long "Year of Hell" but UPN vetoed it), and various other flaws (real and imagined) the series had.
    • This is underlined by Ron D. Moore's stint on the series. He wrapped up DS 9 and then spent about three weeks on VOY's production staff before giving up for the above reasons (and more). He then went on to create a show about another spaceship that was left to its own devices in hostile territory, trying to find a way home. It's called Battlestar Galactica, it has all the things the Executive Meddlers veto'd, and it beat TNG's ratings. Coincidence?
TV Tropes is a fun site, but you can't take anything you read there seriously. It has almost as many mistakes as IMDB. I mean, seriously, BSG beating TNG in ratings? I don't seem to remember BSG ever breaking the 10 million mark.
 
Why did Paramount think they could chain their successful franchise to such a patchy network, when the franchise did very well in syndication? Broadcast television was already well into its drawn out decline by the mid 1990s.
 
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