It would seem silly to give him his diploma before knowing if he passed the test.
How long does it take to achieve Kolinahr?
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It would seem silly to give him his diploma before knowing if he passed the test.
Wasn't that Spock's graduation ceremony in the motionless picture?
I'm sure Jonny was talking about graduation in general, not about going on to middle school. That sure makes it too easy. But even if he was, it's way better than comparing it to confirmations as someone did in another thread. If everybody can do Kolinahr, there would be no meaning to it.
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Relative to a Vulcan lifespan is the difference between two and seven years that great? So it sounds a lot to us but the gap is not that big to a Vulcan.
It depends on whether your course credits for suppressing emotion follow through, after you've had Pon far, a violent out burst of emotion.
Metaphor: Holding your Pee. You've not been holding your pee for a year if you've still been urinating twice a day.
Metaphor: Holding your Pee. You've not been holding your pee for a year if you've still been urinating twice a day.
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Vulcans and Romulans actually are supposedly more passionate than humans, at the base level. Maybe some Vulcans have a harder time with suppressing their emotions that most. Like the ones who left Vulcan and eventually became Romulans in the first place, so maybe Tuvok is one such example of modern Vulcans having a harder time than most.
Spock was an Olympic level athlete at Suppressing his emotion.
It comes too easy to full Vulcans.
They don't have to try to get to an acceptable level of non-emotionality.
It comes too easy to full Vulcans.
They don't have to try to get to an acceptable level of non-emotionality.
I'm inclined to go with this, vulcans finding it so difficult to restrain their emotions is precisely why they started developing all these rituals and disciplines in the first place. If anything, Spock may have found it easier, despite the rather racist sounding comments he seemed to receive from time to time.
Actually something I feel isn't mentioned very often is how Spock seemed to face quite casual prejudice from both humans and vulcans, accepted in both societies but on the proviso he is constantly the butt of their respective jokes.
As dfor how long it takes, we don't really even know what kolinahr isor how it is achieved. Certainy it isn't simply the baseline emotional control we see most vulcans posess or the process of getting there, we see Spock display that throughout TOS anyway. He defined it for us.
Perhaps it represents some pinnacle of that process, considered unnecessary but desirable, perhaps beyond the majority's abilities, a post grad level qualification of sorts. There may not be a time frame at all, it may quite feasibly be an individual matter, or depend on the proportion of one's time is spent on it. Can one do kolinahr part time?
It takes as the plot deems it to take. Just like how long does it take to get to Vulcan doing Warp 8?
I was. I still have no idea why me using the word "graduation" in a broad sense made Bad Thoughts immediately think "middle school." That was a weird leap to make.
Maybe the high tuition levels for Kolinahr programs prevent the majority of Vulcans from enrolling. Would there be some kind of government tuition assistance for those who couldn't pay out of pocket? Is ambassador Spock in the TNG era still paying off student loans from the Kolinahr program he never even graduated from? Oh, wait... this brings up the "money in Trek" issue. Never mind. 
But seriously, Kolinahr seems more like a mystic/religious type of discipline, closer to monastic life than college or graduate school. I would imagine that a Vulcan pursuing Kolinahr must probably spend months or years with no ties to the outside world; no career, no family or outside social interaction, etc. And the Kolinahr masters are probably picky about who they let into their order, and only take on a limited number of apprentices at a time. So it's not something that everybody would be inclined or able to do. Most Vulcans are probably content to be "laypeople" in the Surakian philosophy/religion of logic, rather than monks.
Kor
But seriously, Kolinahr seems more like a mystic/religious type of discipline, closer to monastic life than college or graduate school. I would imagine that a Vulcan pursuing Kolinahr must probably spend months or years with no ties to the outside world; no career, no family or outside social interaction, etc. And the Kolinahr masters are probably picky about who they let into their order, and only take on a limited number of apprentices at a time. So it's not something that everybody would be inclined or able to do. Most Vulcans are probably content to be "laypeople" in the Surakian philosophy/religion of logic, rather than monks.
Kor
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Most graduations reflect reaching a certain minimal threshold, like completing courses and having an adequate GPA. A select few awards require showing creativity, original contributions, and mastery. Your allusions suggest that Kolinahr is the former: just ticking off the boxes.
True, imagine if 99% of humanity were Catholic not everyone would want to enter a monastery and be a nun or monk. Or even be expected to.Maybe the high tuition levels for Kolinahr programs prevent the majority of Vulcans from enrolling. Would there be some kind of government tuition assistance for those who couldn't pay out of pocket? Is ambassador Spock in the TNG era still paying off student loans from the Kolinahr program he never even graduated from? Oh, wait... this brings up the "money in Trek" issue. Never mind.
But seriously, Kolinahr seems more like a mystic/religious type of discipline, closer to monastic life than college or graduate school. I would imagine that a Vulcan pursuing Kolinahr must probably spend months or years with no ties to the outside world; no career, no family or outside social interaction, etc. And the Kolinahr masters are probably picky about who they let into their order, and only take on a limited number of apprentices at a time. So it's not something that everybody would be inclined or able to do. Most Vulcans are probably content to be "laypeople" in the Surakian philosophy/religion of logic, rather than monks.
Kor
Again, you're ascribing things to me that I haven't said.
Very well, the ball's in your court. Why can't an examining body that worked directly with a candidate, who was not only working toward the highest level of achievement in that discipline but was expected to embody that discipline completely, refuse to recognize such achievement when it is shown not only that the person has not achieved it, but that some element thereof was falsified?
I think if you ask this question at any time during your Kolinahr training, it's an automatic fail and you're thrown out of Kolinahr school - forever banned.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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