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How I would film a Superman reboot.

Oh and I have a Wonder Woman done too, ready to go. Same thing applies for that.
Set against the back drop of WWII, right? RIGHT?
I know it's off-topic, but...

I think Wonder Woman in WWII would be a great thing. It gives her a fantastic impetus to actually leave the island: She comes to fight in the war, not catch bank robbers. But the chauvinistic generals want to keep her from the front lines and use her as a propaganda piece. That gives a slightly more believable reasoning for her Stars and Stripes outfit.

Yeah, I've thought about this. :)
 
I didn't want to start a new thread and found this one.

I don't think a live-action Superman movie is really the way to go now, I think a CGI movie would be easier to get into production if some actually approaches TPTB with a good story. I want to see something fresh and exciting and I just don't think a live action movie would do that after SR. Just an opinion.

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I don't really thing a CGI film is a good direction to go in unless you're going to do it similar to an Incredibles or something like that. I'll ask again...why is it so difficult for hollywood execs to put together and execute a Superman movie? No one has been able to duplicate the success of Superman The Movie and even that movie and II has flaws in it. Perhaps it has to do with what and who Superman is.
 
Have there been "what if" comics of Superman? Like what if he had crashed and been raised in Afghanistan or North Korea?

I also highly recommend "Speeding Bullets", where infant Superman is found by Thomas and Martha Wayne.

And it is the young Kal-El who is in that alley when his parents are murdered.

So you have a guy with Batman's anger and Superman's powers. :)

Yikes! :eek:Scared now!

Singer's only real mistake with Returns was once again using John Ottman as the composer, as he once again proved that he is unable to create compelling music when he's not adapting someone else's prior work.

Firstly, I liked the music. Secondly, since he was mostly riffing off of John Williams' excellent themes, I don't see what the complaint is.

Frankly, I associate Williams' work so thoroughly with Superman that I hope any future movies use his Superman theme as well.
 
A movie about him protecting Earth from an invasion by Darkseid would make for a great story, but it would flop since over-the-top real heroics are looked down upon by the common moviegoer. He'd have to fight some local group of gangsters or something to get anyone interested.
 
Kind of feel like I would like to see a Superman movie where Clark has been Superman for a few years and is established and is finally comfortable and at peace with himself as both a human being and as a Kryptonian. He's in a long term relationship with Lois whom he revealed his secret too and who accepted Clark Kent as the dominate persona and Superman as the facade. Lex Luthor will be mentioned in the movie since he's Lex Corp's CEO but not the main villain. I'm inclined to use Metallo as the villian and set up a short sequence where John Corben is a US Solider in some war, in the middle east or else where and is shot and kept alive. Lex finds him and uses him as an experimental patient to try and fuse cyberborg technology with and Kryptonite. Corben kind of goes insane due to the process and starts going rouge...and blames Superman for his condition even though it was Lex. It turns out that Lex has fed this hatred directly into Corben's brain, secretly conditioning him. Superman discovers this after a big battle in downtown Metropolis against Corben and confronts Luthor. Luthor tells Superman that he has no proof. "You can't touch me, alien!" he exclaims! "Maybe not this time Luthor...but in the future...you'll go too far, slip up, and when that happens I'll be there to put you away."
 
I don't really thing a CGI film is a good direction to go in unless you're going to do it similar to an Incredibles or something like that. I'll ask again...why is it so difficult for hollywood execs to put together and execute a Superman movie? No one has been able to duplicate the success of Superman The Movie and even that movie and II has flaws in it. Perhaps it has to do with what and who Superman is.

I think something in the spirit of The Incredibles would work for a CGI Superman movie.


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I think something in the spirit of The Incredibles would work for a CGI Superman movie.


S.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Incredibles style works for The Incredibles and nothing else. This is not a comic film, but a serious film, and Superman should be seen that way, and animated that way. If a CGI Superman movie is made, I want to see it animated in the stile of Curt Swan, John Byrne, or the late Michael Turner.

There's got to be the kind of connection to a real time and society that Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight did so well but that SR so blithely eschewed.

Superman Returns did not 'blithely eschew' anything; it was pretty clear Clark took a leave of absence to find himself, like many people do in life. Also, Clark is an experienced journalist; to make him start all over again just to suit you would be even more unrealistic than what happened in the movie. And Superman Returns is just as connected to the real world as the other two movies you mentioned.
 
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^While it was sort of an Incredibles style of animation, I thought it worked really well for a relatively serious TMNT film a few years ago. (Although, I think part of what helped TMNT was that most of the main characters weren't human to begin with, so they could be a bit more stylized with their looks.)
 
^While it was sort of an Incredibles style of animation, I thought it worked really well for a relatively serious TMNT film a few years ago. (Although, I think part of what helped TMNT was that most of the main characters weren't human to begin with, so they could be a bit more stylized with their looks.)

The humans totally had an Incredibles vibe to them.
 
There's got to be the kind of connection to a real time and society that Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight did so well but that SR so blithely eschewed.
Superman Returns did not 'blithely eschew' anything; it was pretty clear Clark took a leave of absence to find himself, like many people do in life. Also, Clark is an experienced journalist; to make him start all over again just to suit you would be even more unrealistic than what happened in the movie. And Superman Returns is just as connected to the real world as the other two movies you mentioned.
Er, no. Only in SR's fantasy world (and it is a fantasy world, without any grime or visibly worn features) could the newsroom of a major newspaper occupy that nice of a building and feature so many 20-somethings. Remember that Kate Bosworth was and looks 23, and the movie suggests she's already been a reporter for five years at least.

Spider-Man 2 at least attempted some honesty by showing a relatively realistic life of a college-age kid in NYC, scraping by on cash. And The Dark Knight, as fantastical as it was, at least nodded at such contemporary issues as wiretapping, terrorism and the increasingly global economy. Both movies also featured far more visually credible depictions of contemporary American cities... in large part because they were actually filmed in the US, and could not be mistaken as taking place in any era but the 2000s.

Flat-screen TVs and the fax machine aside, SR could have taken place in about any decade, an artistic decision consciously promoted through the quasi-retro production design. The notion that it's "just as connected' to the real world as S-M 2 and TDK is preposterous.
 
Yeah, I was always curious about the whole timeline thing in Superman Returns. So it's a sequel to Superman II -- which was set in the 70's -- and takes place five years after it, yet Clark and Lois look younger and it looks deceptively modern.
 
Er, no. Only in SR's fantasy world (and it is a fantasy world, without any grime or visibly worn features) could the newsroom of a major newspaper occupy that nice of a building and feature so many 20-somethings. Remember that Kate Bosworth was and looks 23, and the movie suggests she's already been a reporter for five years at least.

I thought Bosworth played a very flat and uninteresting Lois Lane. Nevertheless, Superman Returns had a look that combined the modern with the 1940s, much like the Bruce Timm animated. Singer even said that his model for Returns was the Hitchcock film Rebecca (1940), and that he tried to replicate that film's look and feel.

Spider-Man 2 at least attempted some honesty by showing a relatively realistic life of a college-age kid in NYC, scraping by on cash. And The Dark Knight, as fantastical as it was, at least nodded at such contemporary issues as wiretapping, terrorism and the increasingly global economy. Both movies also featured far more visually credible depictions of contemporary American cities... in large part because they were actually filmed in the US, and could not be mistaken as taking place in any era but the 2000s.
Superman: The Movie and the bits of Superman II actually directed by Donner did have a more naturalistic, or as some would prefer to say realistic, visual sensibility. The Daily Planet sets were modeled, iirc, on the New York Times and Washington Post bullpens. And, of course, a lot of the exteriors of Metropolis were New York City.


Flat-screen TVs and the fax machine aside, SR could have taken place in about any decade, an artistic decision consciously promoted through the quasi-retro production design. The notion that it's "just as connected' to the real world as S-M 2 and TDK is preposterous.
Lois and Clark's first season also had an artistic direction that promoted the notion that the show could take place in any decade, combining the things of the 90s with the clothing styles and architecture of yesterday.

I loved the look of Superman Returns. I thought the production design was top-notch. I liked that the Daily Planet building looked as if it had been built back in the 1930s, maybe one of Metropolis' first skyscrapers and once the city's tallest building. I loved that Lois' outfits looked as if they had been cribbed from the 40s. The nearly noir-like cinematography in the scene on the Daily Planet roof was amazing. Returns was a very visually stunning film despite its flaws in pacing, editing, and story structure.

That being said, I wouldn't mind if the next movie took place in the 1930s-40s like It's Superman or if the it had a more naturalistic approach ala TDK, where the Daily Planet looks more like a newsroom you'd find today at the Times or Post or Chronicle, or if it had a timeless look like Returns and Lois and Clark.

Artist Alex Ross once commented that Superman shouldn't be linked to the trends today--which he was referring mostly to the mid-90s long haired look--that Superman should be timeless, out of time to the rest of the world.
 
Yeah, I was always curious about the whole timeline thing in Superman Returns. So it's a sequel to Superman II -- which was set in the 70's -- and takes place five years after it, yet Clark and Lois look younger and it looks deceptively modern.

That is because it is not a sequel...at least in any traditional sense. Ages of the main actors aside, the stuff that happened in S:TM and parts of SII (of which we don't know what) is used as a background for the events in SR.

When Singer mentioned that and after seeing the movie, I took his statements as being "Read the Wikipedia summary of the first movie or so to get up to speed for the new movie."

That being said, while I liked the two leads in their respective roles, I do admit they probably casted too young given the story being presented. The only reason I can come up with is that WB banked on sequels every 2-3 years and didn't want their leads getting too old too quickly (and in a movie producer's mind, 30+ is old :p)
 
I would just do it straight, a la Batman Begins. Albiet less time spent getting him to Metropolis. In fact, I'd mostly skip over most of smallville.

And I don't give a monkey's piss if it, at times, goes over the same ground from the Donner movie. That movie is not known as a Godfather-esque iconic film in general film circles. An entire generation of viewers have never even seen it. The reverence for that film really takes something away from Superman Returns as an entity in of itself.

The most important thing is it has to be epic and has to have the right tone to it. The Big Blue Boyscout, big action, the flag, the clark/lois/superman triangle, and that really good-natured feel to him. I feel like people are sheepish, a little embarressed, about the 'boyscout' tone, and convinced it won't fly..... but it hasn't even been TRIED yet so how do you know?
 
I keep hearing about TNZ as a sub-forum here, but I can never spot it... where is it?
The Neutral Zone is a hidden forum. My understanding is that you can only get to it if you request access to it from a moderator, and your request is granted. I haven't been there myself since it became hidden a few years ago, and I don't miss it.

Actually all you have to do is click User CP at the top of the page, then click on Group memberships under Networking, click the little circle thing next to the Neutral Zone, and then click the join group button under that and your in.
 
Superman Returns has been described by Bryan Singer as taking place in a vauge sense in the Donner Verse universe. I bring this up because I got irratated after his use of the word vauge...the only event that really seems to be continued from Superman II is Lois and Superman inside the Fortress of Solitude during their romantic encounter. In the novelization (which is probably not considered canon) while Superman is flying above the remains of Krypton he "vaugely" recalls his father's hologram mentioning General Zod. So it's possible that Superman II didn't happen...there's also Lex's non challant dismissal of Kitty claiming that he had been to the Fortress before (of course Lex has in Superman II). Its possible that Singer, Harris, and Dougherty chose to INGNORE certain parts of Superman II or take events from it (Luthor avoiding Jail time because Clark hadn't been there to testify, etc).
 
Superman Returns has been described by Bryan Singer as taking place in a vauge sense in the Donner Verse universe. I bring this up because I got irratated after his use of the word vauge...the only event that really seems to be continued from Superman II is Lois and Superman inside the Fortress of Solitude during their romantic encounter. In the novelization (which is probably not considered canon) while Superman is flying above the remains of Krypton he "vaugely" recalls his father's hologram mentioning General Zod. So it's possible that Superman II didn't happen...there's also Lex's non challant dismissal of Kitty claiming that he had been to the Fortress before (of course Lex has in Superman II). Its possible that Singer, Harris, and Dougherty chose to INGNORE certain parts of Superman II or take events from it (Luthor avoiding Jail time because Clark hadn't been there to testify, etc).

Yeah...it was vague, too. ;)

However, I think I got the answer to it! ALTERNATE TIMELINE! Damn you, Nero!

Seriously, though, who knows what went on before. Correct me if I am wrong, but the only direct connection between the earlier films and this one is that Lois wrote an article titled "I Spent the Night With Superman", that Lex likes real estate, and, to a lesser extent (depending on how you view it), Marlon Brando "reprising" his role as Jor-El. Beyond that, it is pretty much a clean slate.
 
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