How does the temporal police handle situations regarding the Nexus?

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: How does the temporal police handle situations regarding the Nexus

But if we look at it from an In-Universe pov, considering that very few people actually know about what the Nexus actually is, I'd imagine the Temporal Police don't have much to worry about

Also, attempting to approach the Nexus is dangerous anyway. The risk of one's ship being destroyed in the attempt is just too great. Soran, for example, had to go through all that trouble of building the station on the ground - he couldn't just fly into it (because most ships that do so are destroyed too early). So the time police probably don't think it's worth it.

 

[The Rock]

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Since the Nexus is a naturally occurring phenomenon (or at least it's supposed to be), it's possible they don't do anything about it.

Or if someone tries, they detect that the timeline 'shifted' due to tampering and appropriate measures are taken.

So it makes me wonder....in the original timeline, everyone on Veridian III died and only Picard and Soran survived. But in the altered timeline, Picard and Kirk killed Soran and saved Veridian III. Do you think the temporal police visited Picard for tampering with the original timeline?

 

[Mr Silver]

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So it makes me wonder....in the original timeline, everyone on Veridian III died and only Picard and Soran survived. But in the altered timeline, Picard and Kirk killed Soran and saved Veridian III. Do you think the temporal police visited Picard for tampering with the original timeline?

I think the Original Timeline is the one that you call the "Altered Timeline", let me explain why...

In FC, Picard and Crew go back in time to stop the Borg from Assimilating Earth, thus fulfilling a continuous loop in time, If Veridian III was destroyed, that means the entire Enterprise crew would be killed, Picard trapped in the Nexus and no Enterprise to go back in time to stop the Borg from Assimilating Earth , therefore the Borg would have Assimilate Earth, Picard and Co never would have been born and the Federation would never have existed

 

[C.E. Evans]

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Temporal police may already know the final outcomes of certain events--even if someone is altering the timeline--and allows it to happen because its impact on history is very localized, or if someone like Picard or Kirk gets involved and does their work for them by making sure what was broken was fixed.

Instances in which the temporal police may get directly involved is when neither of those scenarios are the case, IMO. And depending on how sensitive the situation in regards to history, no one outside of the temporal police's official channels will ever know--unless it's Captain Braxton...

 

[Tosk]

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In FC, Picard and Crew go back in time to stop the Borg from Assimilating Earth, thus fulfilling a continuous loop in time, If Veridian III was destroyed, that means the entire Enterprise crew would be killed, Picard trapped in the Nexus and no Enterprise to go back in time to stop the Borg from Assimilating Earth , therefore the Borg would have Assimilate Earth, Picard and Co never would have been born and the Federation would never have existed

The Borg only travel back in time because of the loss of their cube...which was destroyed due to Picard's intervention.

So basically, if Picard had stayed in the Nexus, his crew killed, the Borg would invade Earth in the 24th century. No time loop paradox, everybody is happy. Except for all the dead and assimilated people.

 

[Finn]

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^No. I think the Borg had intended to time travel. Why they waited until they were over Earth is beyond me, but the fact they were able to suggested they had it in mind while they were headed for Earth, not because the E-E showed up.

 

[Mr Silver]

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And theres numerous other reasons too...

Worf for example a key player in many of the events in the Dominion War, had he not gone with Garak to find Tain in the Internment Camp, Bashir would never have been found, therefore if Bashir was not rescued, the Mutagenic Virus would have wiped out the Founders, Odo would not have been able to convince the Female Changeling to surrender, the Jem Hadar would fight like animals, leaving the Federation is ruins, or conquered, then the Federation Temporal Police would never have been formed, thus rendering a Paradox had the Veridian III destruction been the Prime Timeline...

And as Finngle Bells pointed out, the Borg were always going to attempt Time Travel, even if the Enterprise wasn't there, its likely the Fleet would have overpowered them eventually, leading to them escaping in the Sphere and Time Travelling to avoid Resistance

 

[The Wormhole]

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^No. I think the Borg had intended to time travel. Why they waited until they were over Earth is beyond me, but the fact they were able to suggested they had it in mind while they were headed for Earth, not because the E-E showed up.

That makes no sense whatsoever. The Borg go after worlds for their technology. This was the first fact stated about them in Q Who, even before assimilation was established. And indeed, Voyager, as flawed as their Borg episodes were adhered to this, mentioning that the Borg had indeed encountered races considered so primitive that they refused to assimilate them.

It's bad enough that First Contact shows the Borg going back in time as a back-up plan to the day before humanity's first warp flight and assimilating Earth, even though the planet offers no advanced technology at all. Indeed the highest technological accomplishment is a nuclear rocket capable of travelling at warp. However, it would be even worse if this was the Borg's intent all along, as it flies in the face of logic and blatantly contradicts everything established about the Borg.

 

[Tosk]

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If the Borg always intended to travel back in time, then their hive mind is quite foolish.

What possible reason could there be for them to battle all the way to Earth (almost being destroyed in the process) when all they had to do was time travel first, and then go to a defenseless Earth?

 

[JarodRussell]

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^No. I think the Borg had intended to time travel. Why they waited until they were over Earth is beyond me, but the fact they were able to suggested they had it in mind while they were headed for Earth, not because the E-E showed up.

What possible reason could there be for them to battle all the way to Earth (almost being destroyed in the process) when all they had to do was time travel first, and then go to a defenseless Earth?

The Queen wanted Picard. So the Borg waited until he arrived at the site. It was the Borg who told Picard where to shoot at to destroy the cube (without Picard, the fleet would have lost the battle). The explosion distracted the rest of the fleet, making sure that only the Enterprise was following them. Then they anticipated that the Sphere would be destroyed, and beamed aboard the Enterprise. Then they called Picard again to make sure he was on the ship. And eventually Data's voice lured Picard personally into the Queen's lair.

 

[Eld Phaedrus]

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What I don't understand is why the Queen would do so when an all-out invasion would do the job. Seriously, a large Borg fleet would have had no trouble overrunning the Alpha Quadrant, as sheer numbers would overcome any resistance. I find it difficult to believe that the Borg, as a civilization, was conceived as unable to consider waging war the old-fashioned way-without having to resort to gimmicks.

 

[JarodRussell]

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What I don't understand is why the Queen would do so when an all-out invasion would do the job. Seriously, a large Borg fleet would have had no trouble overrunning the Alpha Quadrant, as sheer numbers would overcome any resistance. I find it difficult to believe that the Borg, as a civilization, was conceived as unable to consider waging war the old-fashioned way-without having to resort to gimmicks.

That's the point. One single Borg cube was absolutely sufficient to invade and assimilate Earth. Borg are machines, efficiency is important to them. And then again: the Queen wanted Picard. That's the only "flaw" in her plan.

 

[Tosk]

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The Queen wanted Picard. So the Borg waited until he arrived at the site[...]

Is this a personal theory, or based on something official? I have to say, I find the idea all a little silly. Picard was their target? Just take him. Why the ruse? Why the sacrifice of the cube? Why any of it?

 

[Eld Phaedrus]

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That's the point. One single Borg cube was absolutely sufficient to invade and assimilate Earth. Borg are machines, efficiency is important to them. And then again: the Queen wanted Picard. That's the only "flaw" in her plan.

Yes, but I'm forced to agree with Tosk. Singling out Picard serves no logical purpose. A genuine machine-based sentience would not have done so. Picard would have been assimilated, the relevant information taken from his mind, and that's that. Locutus, while he made for nice TV, was absolutely unnecessary.

 

[JarodRussell]

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Have you guys seen the movie? Who cares if it serves a logical purpose? It's what the Queen wanted.

 

[The Wormhole]

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What I don't understand is why the Queen would do so when an all-out invasion would do the job. Seriously, a large Borg fleet would have had no trouble overrunning the Alpha Quadrant, as sheer numbers would overcome any resistance. I find it difficult to believe that the Borg, as a civilization, was conceived as unable to consider waging war the old-fashioned way-without having to resort to gimmicks.

You want a Borg fleet slaughtering the Federation? Read the Trek novels.

 

[Gaith]

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What I don't understand is why the Queen would do so when an all-out invasion would do the job. Seriously, a large Borg fleet would have had no trouble overrunning the Alpha Quadrant, as sheer numbers would overcome any resistance. I find it difficult to believe that the Borg, as a civilization, was conceived as unable to consider waging war the old-fashioned way-without having to resort to gimmicks.

All of which is partly why ol' Plinkett called FC the 3,967 worst movie ever made.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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One single Borg cube was absolutely sufficient to invade and assimilate Earth. Borg are machines, efficiency is important to them.

Exactly. The Borg don't need to send a whole fleet to assimilate one planet. They can afford to take their time.

 

[Tyralak]

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I believe the technical term for what it is is "Wibbly space/time magic"

Is there any other sort?