The how is easy, the why would be the contrivance. I can't think of a reason for the ship to return to its 23rd Century appearance that would feel natural and not "because we need to explain the old design used in Calypso".
How does Calypso happen?
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The how is easy, the why would be the contrivance. I can't think of a reason for the ship to return to its 23rd Century appearance that would feel natural and not "because we need to explain the old design used in Calypso".
I'll refrain from speculating about how "Calypso" fits in... at this time.
I have some ideas, but they're all premature. I need to see more.
I have some ideas, but they're all premature. I need to see more.
The ship being sent further into the future is possible, and is one of my thoughts for how it could be explained. The look of the ship's hull however, would require a contrived explanation though
The Romulans used holgraphic masking tech in the 22nd century to instigate attacks against the Coalition... instead of Zora using programmable matter to physically revert the ship to its 23rd century state, its possible she could have used holographics to make some minor changes and have the ship appear as its original 23rd century one as opposed to its 32nd century look.
After all, she wouldn't have much to change... and the power draw could be kept at a minimum with just sections of the ship being masked (plus, holograms are extensively used in the 32nd century, so its possible that by this time they wouldn't be much/any drain on ship's power... evenif they are on for 1000 years.
The ship's registry could easily be changed to remove the "- A" bit Much like it was done by the crew when they changed USS to ISS in the Mirror Universe).
Ultimately, programmable matter could easily reshape the ship itself.. so it wouldn't be that much of an issue.
The use of 23rd century shuttle though is a bit of a doozy... but could be explained by the premise that if the ship had to go into hiding for 1000 years AFTER 32nd century, then it would have to hide its 32nd century technology as well.
I'm starting to suspect that "Calypso" is taking place entirely in Zora's mind. She's imagining the whole thing.
Hell, it could have already happened...
Hell, it could have already happened...
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I don't care at this point. They have no obligation to show us the events leading to or after this short. I think it's one of the best things Star Trek has ever done, though.
A thought after the most recent episode.
Calypso is set in Tarka's alternate universe where there was no Burn.
How does "Calypso" fit? I don't know, but we have to work in John F Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswold, J Edgar Hoover, and Area 51 into it somehow. Maybe even Lyndon Johnson and Bush Sr. 
Burnham ordered Discovery to stay in place out of fear of what the Illuminati might do otherwise. Mulder and Scully are on the case to make a discovery about what happened.
Burnham ordered Discovery to stay in place out of fear of what the Illuminati might do otherwise. Mulder and Scully are on the case to make a discovery about what happened.
It will fit into the story somehow. The entire past two seasons have been all about trying to shoe-horn Calypso into continuity (V'Draysh, Zora, chaotic 32nd century). Moreso than Picard (and I love Picard), Calypso will probably be Michael Chabon's lasting legacy in Star Trek Land.
If they don't tie it into the show in this season's finale, then it will probably be relegated to some event in the series finale years from now. Because this question keeps popping up again and again, and the producers remain coy and aloof about it. It's not something they forgot, it's something they combed over and sifted through all the details. I don't think it's an alternate universe. I think it's the Star Trek universe as we know it. It could be a thousand years more into the future (42nd century), as some have proposed (Michelle Paradise's supposition), or the same time period as originally assumed (based on the V'Draysh reference), presumably after Zora gets stuck back in time for some reason. Or is lying while in enemy territory.
If they don't tie it into the show in this season's finale, then it will probably be relegated to some event in the series finale years from now. Because this question keeps popping up again and again, and the producers remain coy and aloof about it. It's not something they forgot, it's something they combed over and sifted through all the details. I don't think it's an alternate universe. I think it's the Star Trek universe as we know it. It could be a thousand years more into the future (42nd century), as some have proposed (Michelle Paradise's supposition), or the same time period as originally assumed (based on the V'Draysh reference), presumably after Zora gets stuck back in time for some reason. Or is lying while in enemy territory.
One of her dreams? I could see that.
I don't think it matters. An alternate reality where the crew crew abandons Discovery / Zora to hide sphere data, data is found, Zora still develops but Federation (V'Draysh) becomes an Totalitarian Empire ruled by Control AI. Zora is waiting on her crew.....because she loves them. When malevolent Federation AI rises to power, crew is eventually wiped out or dies of natural causes. They are ordered under penalty of death to never discuss Discovery's whereabouts.
That's my idea. Or it's all a dream.
That's my idea. Or it's all a dream.
If they never establish a connection to Calypso it would be fine with me, I actually prefer it. If do make the connection I am sure I will be OK with it too. These kind of stuff doesn’t bother me. A lot of trekkies lost their lunch when ENT explained the smooth headed Klingons but I liked it a lot.
the biggest obstacle seems to be the look of Discovery in Calypso. They can always do a CGI update of Discovery in Calypso.
the biggest obstacle seems to be the look of Discovery in Calypso. They can always do a CGI update of Discovery in Calypso.
I feel like changing anything about Calypso would be like retconning a mystery story halfway through. The series has been slowly building towards it over time with Zora while also contradicting it with the refit and giving us an entirely unrelated 1000 year time jump, and it just makes it even more of a mystery how it's all going to fit together.
If they've got a clever answer then we could get a really satisfying payoff, if they cheat it by retconning Calypso or making it a dream then it'll likely be a disappointment.
If they've got a clever answer then we could get a really satisfying payoff, if they cheat it by retconning Calypso or making it a dream then it'll likely be a disappointment.
If that's the biggest obstacle then one line of dialog will fix it. Talk about mountain out of a microbe.
I genuinely thought thats what was happening when they were escaping the subspace rift and she said areas of her hull were burning away, assumed the old hull was what was underneath like a snake shedding its skin.
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