Which goes back to the absurdity of it all.and alive.When I say he was fine, I mean in the sense that Dr. Crusher didn't feel the need to "reach out" to Picard until the changelings showed up.
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How do/did you feel about the return of the Enterprise-D?
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And since we're going in circles I'll step out.
Apologies for missing this earlier.
That would've presumably extended the ship's lifetime beyond what it would've been otherwise.
The 1701 had a massive refit before TMP. To the point where Decker said, "This is an almost totally new Enterprise."
That would've presumably extended the ship's lifetime beyond what it would've been otherwise.
This is one of those things where the studio and creators wanted a new model, so "we upgraded" was the handwave so fans didn't go, "Nah uh, that's not how it looked in the show."
This is true, but it's also acknowledged in the movie itself. "Admiral, we have spent 18 months redesigning and refitting the Enterprise!" And Kirk's unfamiliarity with the redesign becomes a plot point later on, when Kirk thinks he knows what he's doing when he's trying to get the Enterprise out of a wormhole, then Decker has to intervene to save them.
Yes, I said that in my previous comment, but with less words.
I've rewatched "the reveal" more times than I should have, but - if anything - apart from the accent lights being 2500k instead of 7000k (yellow, not blue), my only other whine is how spacedock's interior is so foggy that you have all that haze from the lights aimed at it. All that fog... I hope that the hull materials aren't prone to oxidization and rust... 
Granted, this same issue was also present in TVH, which is only slightly more brightly lit, so (a) it can't be a problem, and (b) it's been going on for generations... 
Granted, this same issue was also present in TVH, which is only slightly more brightly lit, so (a) it can't be a problem, and (b) it's been going on for generations... This isn't really a problem with the reveal in and of itself, but if we assume our protagonists knew what they'd be getting into and that they'd need a ship focused on military might and maneuverability, and would be in a situation where having a cloaking device might help...Defiant was right there. Granted maybe it didn't have the ablative armor or perhaps was unarmed (both of which could have been easily addressed in a throwaway line of dialog), but to not even mention it in these circumstances seems like Our Heroes letting nostalgia override tactical practicality.
It probably was mostly armed at the Museum. The Enterprise - D when powered up seemed all fine(except for when it kinda crashed into a planet) and fully armed. The same probably could be vouched for all the ships there, as well.
As for nostalgia, yeah it would seem out of place a bit, but Defiant would’ve certainly fared well against the cube. Voyager could’ve also been selected, it’s smaller and more maneuverable than the Enterprise, and it is pretty well armed.
You know what, they probably should’ve taken all 3. Why not?
It probably was mostly armed at the Museum. The Enterprise - D when powered up seemed all fine(except for when it kinda crashed into a planet) and fully armed. The same probably could be vouched for all the ships there, as well.
As for nostalgia, yeah it would seem out of place a bit, but Defiant would’ve certainly fared well against the cube. Voyager could’ve also been selected, it’s smaller and more maneuverable than the Enterprise, and it is pretty well armed.
You know what, they probably should’ve taken all 3. Why not?
If they had taken all three, the nostalgia fans likely would have exploded from the sheer burst of memberberries, and then we wouldn't be able to have these lovely discussions!
Ah yes, the discussions particularly focused about the return of the Enterprise - D.If they had taken all three, the nostalgia fans likely would have exploded from the sheer burst of memberberries, and then we wouldn't be able to have these lovely discussions!
I got a bit carried away(JUST a bit)…but moving on now.
They could have fixed this with some little dialogue. Worf says they should take out the Defiant-A, which he's served on. Geordi notes it was badly trashed from X battle, the reason it got retired. S3 got blinded by nostalgia.
I mean, you got some points here. The Defiant-class was designed to fight the Borg. Voyager survived numerous encounters due to their Borg upgrades.It probably was mostly armed at the Museum. The Enterprise - D when powered up seemed all fine(except for when it kinda crashed into a planet) and fully armed. The same probably could be vouched for all the ships there, as well.
As for nostalgia, yeah it would seem out of place a bit, but Defiant would’ve certainly fared well against the cube. Voyager could’ve also been selected, it’s smaller and more maneuverable than the Enterprise, and it is pretty well armed.
You know what, they probably should’ve taken all 3. Why not?
If they had taken all three, the nostalgia fans likely would have exploded from the sheer burst of memberberries, and then we wouldn't be able to have these lovely discussions!
Not without a big pack of cigarettes...
I've rewatched "the reveal" more times than I should have, but - if anything - apart from the accent lights being 2500k instead of 7000k (yellow, not blue), my only other whine is how spacedock's interior is so foggy that you have all that haze from the lights aimed at it. All that fog... I hope that the hull materials aren't prone to oxidization and rust...
While I've not watched the scene in "Võx" in it's entirely as much as I used to in recent months, I always get a kick out of seeing the TNG crew returning home. It's nowhere as fun and amazing as seeing it first run but seeing them return to that same bridge fills me with joy.
As for the bridge itself I actually like how the side walls appeared to be a brighter tan color compared to on TNG. My ONLY complaint was that the thin strips of light on the upper side walls should be blue, not white. But it's still mindblowing how beautifully accurate the recreated bridge is to the TNG S4-7 bridge.
Any inaccuracies can be handwaved with "because restoration." If it were flashback or time travel, we'd have the nitpickers taking over.While I've not watched the scene in "Võx" in it's entirely as much as I used to in recent months, I always get a kick out of seeing the TNG crew returning home. It's nowhere as fun and amazing as seeing it first run but seeing them return to that same bridge fills me with joy.
As for the bridge itself I actually like how the side walls appeared to be a brighter tan color compared to on TNG. My ONLY complaint was that the thin strips of light on the upper side walls should be blue, not white. But it's still mindblowing how beautifully accurate the recreated bridge is to the TNG S4-7 bridge.
While I've not watched the scene in "Võx" in it's entirely as much as I used to in recent months, I always get a kick out of seeing the TNG crew returning home. It's nowhere as fun and amazing as seeing it first run but seeing them return to that same bridge fills me with joy.
As for the bridge itself I actually like how the side walls appeared to be a brighter tan color compared to on TNG. My ONLY complaint was that the thin strips of light on the upper side walls should be blue, not white. But it's still mindblowing how beautifully accurate the recreated bridge is to the TNG S4-7 bridge.
Any inaccuracies can be handwaved with "because restoration." If it were flashback or time travel, we'd have the nitpickers taking over.
Yup, I handwave it for the same reason - in other words, all the blue bulbs would come in on Tuesday and nobody wanted to wait to change them anymore...
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It's a point of contention as to whether or not this Defiant actually had a cloaking device. There was no mention of one in the two episodes of DS9 it was featured in, suggesting there is no canonical evidence it had a cloaking device. At the very least, after Jack stole the HMS Bounty's cloaking device, they had a problem hooking it up to the Titan due to incompatibility between Federation and Klingon technology. If the Defiant had a cloak, you'd think it would make more sense for Jack to steal a cloak that was proven compatible with Federation technology.
Yeah, I know, then there'd be no TVH memberberry.
Even without the cloaking device, if Defiant was armed and armored...it was literally built with the explicit intention of fighting the Borg, and the kinds of stunt flying the E-D pulled would have been a heck of a lot easier with a smaller vessel.
Something that just occurred to me: do we even know if it was ever public knowledge that the Defiant had a cloaking device at all?
Kasidy Yates and her bridge crew watch the Defiant decloak in For the Cause, so at the very least no real effort was made to keep the ship's cloaking device a secret from civilians. And given Kasidy's crew sought refuge with the Maquis at the end of the episode, I think we can reasonably assume they didn't sign any NDAs.
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