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How Do Comics Stay Afloat?

^From the perspective of someone who also likes story, I can understand your point of view quite well.

A change in storytelling format, over publishing format would obviously be the first step in any shift to the GN ONLY method.

For example, I loved Greg Wiseman's Gargoyles Comic, but the serialized nature of the books I think hurt it's sales overall. If they'd just realized Clan Building as 1 HC or TPB GN, I think it might of had a bit more longevity and profitability from the get go. (Course that's just an opinion)
 
Reading these posts made me wonder, and I don't think I do read comics as stories. Individual issues, sure; plots arced over several instalments, likewise. But character histories and events as a whole? Not as story, but more as myth. The multiplicity of authors who bring their own spin on the tale, the varying and contradictory versions of even the agreed-upon major events (like origins), the way content seems more predicated on the desires of the storytellers (or perceived desire of the audience) than plot logic or consistency in world-building... In that sense, the unending and cyclical nature of it doesn't particularly bother me. I no more expect Batman to find happiness and settle down than I expect Zeus to quit shagging anything with a pulse.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
^ That's true, and I often buy individual issues of some series, worrying that they may never be collected in a TPB. Individual issues can be really tough to track down later.
 
Looking over the shipping lists for the last few weeks, I couldn't find a single ongoin, or limited series, from the Big 2, that wasn't Traded or going to be Traded. The occasional one-off might not get collected, but as of the last few years, it's pretty rare that a series doesn't get a collected edition.
 
^ My argument for nothing but trades has to do with what kinds of stories can be told. Monthlies encourage soap opera style tales, with their attendant cheesiness, over used tropes, and demands on the suspension of disbelief as stories go on for years and years and years - yet no one ages, and everyone in the story seems to forget the momentous events of just a few years ago (unless it needs to be remembered as a plot point for yet another return of a villain). In short, they are lousy stories.

A trade only format would allow novels. Complete stories in complete universes with beginnings, middles and endings. The lack of endings seriously undermines the storytelling in comics. I have a great fondness for superheroes, but I had to give up comics for the most part because they are so tremendously frustrating if you love story.

I am very much in favor of this. A big part of why I stopped reading comics was that I felt like there was never any payoff. Every big story just hooked right into another big story, and the cycle never ended. I felt like I was being played for a fool, never getting a solid payoff or ending to anything.

Another problem with monthlies is editorial interference. You just don't really have that with graphic novels, since the whole story is known to the editors from the getgo, and they either sign off on it or they don't. I remember when I was reading Cable, there was a fairly lengthy story arc going on, and editorial mandate insisted it be killed as quickly as possible--and let me tell you, it was exceedingly obvious in the way it was concluded. Pissed me off and was a major contributor to me ditching monthlies altogether.

Anymore, I only bother with things that are self-contained.
 
Reading these posts made me wonder, and I don't think I do read comics as stories. Individual issues, sure; plots arced over several instalments, likewise. But character histories and events as a whole? Not as story, but more as myth. The multiplicity of authors who bring their own spin on the tale, the varying and contradictory versions of even the agreed-upon major events (like origins), the way content seems more predicated on the desires of the storytellers (or perceived desire of the audience) than plot logic or consistency in world-building... In that sense, the unending and cyclical nature of it doesn't particularly bother me. I no more expect Batman to find happiness and settle down than I expect Zeus to quit shagging anything with a pulse.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman


But see, I don't think a graphic novel format precludes the mythic aspects of the characters and their tales and I think the soap opera nature of monthlies undercuts it in a big way. What I'm thinking of is just what you're saying - numerous authors taking on the characters in complete tales, as in the way King Arthur has been handled since Mallory. So you get Le Morte D'Arthur, The Once and Future King and The Mists of Avalon - all wildly different takes on the mythic cycle, but each with specific characterizations and consistent, self-contained fictional universes complete with thematics and motifs. Individual stories would contradict each other in detail, and each would be able to mine the mythos in question for unique themes.

As it is - there are next to no themes or motifs or any of the more sophisticated aspects of storytelling allowed. The writing is superficial because it cannot incorporate real character arcs - no one is really allowed to change, or if they are, it is for only a short time before some tired plot contrivance is enacted to return things to a status quo so that the next author can try to hook their interpretation into the editorially controlled tapestry.

Imagine an industry where Superman's entire life could be written a dozen times in 20 years. One tale is an uplifting story of enemies defeated and happiness found in true love. One is a wrenching look at the alienation of a god among men. One is a science fiction tale of a child from another star. In one Perry White is a kindly mentor. In one he's an embittered man who betrays the hero. In another he's honorable but broken by the pressures of dealing with the alien other.

With monthlies, you can't get into any of that. Just like any daily soap, characters have a narrow field in which they operate and essentially do the same things over and over and over, year after year. Every once in a while they get a moment or two, or the beginning of an interesting story - which goes nowhere because nothing is allowed to end. Without an ending you can't solidify a character arc and provide closure for a theme. Who is Rick Blaine if he doesn't tell Ilsa to get on the plane and be Laslo's partner in war and what is Casablanca without his redemption? Who is Scarlett O'Hara if she doesn't face the loss of Melanie and Rhett with the determination that nothing will ever break her and what is Gone With the Wind without her growth from shallow belle to fierce woman? Who is King Arthur if he doesn't fall in battle with Mordred and be borne to Avalon to return when he is needed and what is his legend without him being the once and future king?
 
^ Yeah, but the continuity fanboys would be SOL!! :lol:

Basically it will be a bunch of elseworlds the way you are saying it -right?


Or a particular graphic novel might choose to continue from where another one ended and expand it. But then it would be hard for "completists" to keep track of which graphic novels link to which and things would get pretty fractured. Hey - *I* sound like a continuity fanboy!
 
I think people have forgotten how to write done in one stories featuring the same character. That was the form used by most Superhero comics for twenty to thirty years. Then "continuity" became king and every story had to flow into the other. Plot became secondary to "arcs" and "characterisation".
 
I think people have forgotten how to write done in one stories featuring the same character. That was the form used by most Superhero comics for twenty to thirty years. Then "continuity" became king and every story had to flow into the other. Plot became secondary to "arcs" and "characterisation".

That's one of the reasons I enjoyed Paul Dini's recent run on Detective Comics, despite the slight inconsistancy. It felt like a classic Batman run, with one and two-part stories and the occasional longer arc. It didn't ignore continuity, but let it play a background role to good stories.
 
The mythic quality of superheroes comics in terms of the characters continually renewing themselves to fit into the present, never really aging and having no meaningful long-term memory of their past adventures is something Umberto Eco touched on in his essay on Superman in the early 1970s. Of course at that time superhero comics were almost entirely done-in-one short stories and the shared universe wasn't as much of a factor as it later came to be.

I don't think the monthly format is the reason why superhero comics from the Big Two take the form of open-ended serialized drama in a tight-knit shared universe, nor do I think switching to original graphic novels would put an end to that form of storytelling. After all, there are a lot of non-superhero monthlies that work towards definitive close-ended conclusions and writers working on superhero comics typically "write to the trade", so a switch to original graphic novels for the Big Two superhero universes would probably just lead to a series of connected graphic novels with the same kind of serialized drama and tight-knit continuity that we currently see in superhero monthlies. It's not the format, but the readership that dictates content, and continuity-heavy serialized drama is what's favored by the core readership of superhero comics these days.

When the speculator market collapsed and comic book sales steeply declined in the mid-1990s the industry shifted to a niche hobbyist market with a small but largely affluent readership. While sales for individual titles dropped, the number of titles the Big Two published rose, as did the price point comics were sold at. So, to answer the OP's question, the comic industry stays afloat by selling a large number of titles at a high price point to a relatively small readership. That's a strategy that has put the Big Two into profit (even when one looks just at their publishing revenue) even as other sectors of print media increasingly go under water.

Most of the suggestions thrown around in online discussions (like advocating a switch to manga-style publications) are unrealistic because of market conditions. The comics market as currently constituted has provided a bridge of relative stability while the elements fall into place for what could and should be the next major evolution of the industry, which is digital comics.

For some years the Big Two have been criticized for moving too slowly to get into digital comics, but really the platforms available - PCs, laptops, e-readers, etc - all had distinct disadvantages that would have impeded a major push for digital comics. That, however, is going to change over the coming years as the iPad and its competitors go through multiple generations and dropping price points and eventually emerge as ubiqituous computing devices, devices which are perfect to read digital comics in color and displaying a full page at a time, maintaining the multiple-panel page designs of print comics (and perhaps with different reading options, like switching between a motion comic display and a traditional static display).

Now, the industry will need to be careful in how it manages a transition to a focus on digital as one wouldn't want to jeopardize the existing direct market before a viable replacement business model was in place, but digital comics certainly offer the potential for comics to once again be a mass medium with a relatively low price point (although the lower price point will likely only come once there are sufficient digital sales so as to be a replacement for lost print revenues). If superhero comics were to achieve a mass medium readership again through going digital you'd probably see a move back to the characters and their universe being pared down and simplified with more of an emphasis on self-contained storylines rather than ongoing serialized drama.
 
Some books manage to keep the soap opera elements pretty well without wearing them out. The Walking Dead springs to mind. But an advantage it has is its own continuity and relatively short run so far. You're not dealing with the thousandth time Spidey has squared off against the Lizard.

The real solution to the Marvel and DC stuff, in my opinion, is to retire some of these characters, at least for a while, and create new ones. It'll never happen, but it'd be interesting to see.

The independent and/or creator-owned stuff isn't bogged down with all of that. I can pick up B.P.R.D. or Atomic Robo as individual issues or wait for trades.

I'm curious to see how DC's Earth-1 stuff will do. I tend to enjoy these projects with their own continuity. I haven't read First Wave yet, but I'm interested.
 
Just like any daily soap, characters have a narrow field in which they operate and essentially do the same things over and over and over, year after year.

In soaps, actors sometimes actually leave for good, so their character manages to stay dead. That helps, too.
 
The market stayed afloat thanks to Nicholas Cage. But since he´s broke now it might be gone sooner than later.
 
The real solution to the Marvel and DC stuff, in my opinion, is to retire some of these characters, at least for a while, and create new ones. It'll never happen, but it'd be interesting to see.

I would think that a more (literally) all-ages, less continuity-focused version of storytelling would be more successful. Like Out Of My Vulcan Mind, I think that generally episodic storytelling is in the best interests of healthy comic sales. The average potential reader isn't likely to be heavily invested or interested in a continuing story, much less worried about its details.
 
The average potential reader isn't likely to be heavily invested or interested in a continuing story, much less worried about its details.

Actually that *is* the average reader in the direct market, they only buy things that are "important". As for other people, they simply don't go into the gimpshops that makes up the DM.
 
A trade only format would allow novels. Complete stories in complete universes with beginnings, middles and endings. The lack of endings seriously undermines the storytelling in comics. I have a great fondness for superheroes, but I had to give up comics for the most part because they are so tremendously frustrating if you love story.

I disagree. Story =/= continuity, or history, and it doesn't require "aging" the characters. It's perfectly possible to tell a good story in the "semi-ageless" context of superhero comics.

Looking over the shipping lists for the last few weeks, I couldn't find a single ongoin, or limited series, from the Big 2, that wasn't Traded or going to be Traded. The occasional one-off might not get collected, but as of the last few years, it's pretty rare that a series doesn't get a collected edition.

If you're Avengers, or Superman or other 1st Shelf titles, maybe.

When's the last time you saw Justice League or Thunderbolts get a decent trade?
 
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