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How did nuSpock know about the Jellyfish?

DarthAkuma

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So - how did nuSpock know about the Jellyfish. Him and Kirk seem to already have a plan when they board the Narada, but there's nothing in the flim that I can see that explains how nuSpock knew about the Jellyfish, allowing him to take it, blast the drill, them come back and ram into the Narada.

Did I miss something?
 
Yes.. the mind meld Prime Spock had with nuKirk... where he explains to him about the Jellyfish being our "fastest ship" etc...
 
As far as nuSpock knew, there was just a "black hole device" on the Narada, but nuKirk knew about the Jellyfish and the red matter.
 
Yes.. the mind meld Prime Spock had with nuKirk... where he explains to him about the Jellyfish being our "fastest ship" etc...

That explains how Kirk knew about the Jellyfish, but it does not explain how nuSpock knew about the Jellyfish. Kirk couldn't tell nuSpock about the mind meld. If Kirk told nuSpock about the Jellyfish, how did he explain this newly acquired knowledge if he couldn't say anything about oldSpock?
 
Also when Kirk and Spock boarded the Narada they disabled a Romulan lackey with whom Spock mindmelded. Via the mindmeld, Spock determined the location of both Pike and the red matter (jellyfish ship).
 
Yes.. the mind meld Prime Spock had with nuKirk... where he explains to him about the Jellyfish being our "fastest ship" etc...

Yeah, that's how Kirk knew about it.

nuSpock didn't know anything other than the fact that something aboard the Narada could create a blackhole. He didn't know anything about the Jellyfish and was actually surprised when they found it.
 
Yes.. the mind meld Prime Spock had with nuKirk... where he explains to him about the Jellyfish being our "fastest ship" etc...

Yeah, that's how Kirk knew about it.

nuSpock didn't know anything other than the fact that something aboard the Narada could create a blackhole. He didn't know anything about the Jellyfish and was actually surprised when they found it.


But was he surprised? It seemed like Kirk and nuSpock already had a plan: nuSpock takes the Jellyfish and blows away the drill then rams into the Narada while Kirk rescues Pike. Did they suddenly come up with this plan upon nuSpock seeing the Jellyfish?
 
It seemed like Kirk and nuSpock already had a plan: nuSpock takes the Jellyfish and blows away the drill then rams into the Narada while Kirk rescues Pike. Did they suddenly come up with this plan upon nuSpock seeing the Jellyfish?

Read my previous post. Spock melded with a Romulan aboard the Narada. That's how he found out about Pike and the jellyfish.
 
They had some kind of plan. Spock was concerned, once he saw the Jellyfish, that he would not be able to make it work. And then the computer welcomed him back as "Ambassador Spock." He was definitely surprised.

The plan was to destroy and/or retrieve the blackhole device before Nero had a chance to use it on Earth. The Jellyfish simply provided a means for them to do that.
 
...the computer welcomed him back as "Ambassador Spock." He was definitely surprised.

Spock new of the red matter and jellyfish when he melded wih the Romulan.

He was surprised that the advanced ship recognised his voice. An entirely different matter.
 
Yes.. the mind meld Prime Spock had with nuKirk... where he explains to him about the Jellyfish being our "fastest ship" etc...

That explains how Kirk knew about the Jellyfish, but it does not explain how nuSpock knew about the Jellyfish. Kirk couldn't tell nuSpock about the mind meld. If Kirk told nuSpock about the Jellyfish, how did he explain this newly acquired knowledge if he couldn't say anything about oldSpock?
Perhaps Kirk told Spock, but left out the details. We never saw a scene in which Kirk and Spock were formulating their plan (nor did we need to)...

...I suppose we could have had a scene with Spock grilling Kirk as to how he knows what he knows, but that would have been a relatively unecessary scene.
 
...the computer welcomed him back as "Ambassador Spock." He was definitely surprised.

Spock new of the red matter and jellyfish when he melded wih the Romulan.

He was surprised that the advanced ship recognised his voice. An entirely different matter.

He may have learned that the Jellyfish was there, but he didn't know anything about it.

How do we know what Spock knew?

I would assume that Spock knew whatever the Romulan guard/lackey knew since he melded with him. That might include some ship operations. Didn't matter though since the ship recognised Spock anyway.
 
We know that he didn't know because he specifically said it in the movie. As soon as they boarded the Jellyfish, Spock was concerned because he was expecting it to be of Romulan design. He didn't know if he would able to make it work. He also had to ask the computer where the ship came from.

From there, he inferred enough about the ship to carry out their plan.
 
We know that he didn't know because he specifically said it in the movie. As soon as they boarded the Jellyfish, Spock was concerned because he was expecting it to be of Romulan design. He didn't know if he would able to make it work. He also had to ask the computer where the ship came from.

From there, he inferred enough about the ship to carry out their plan.

Granted Spock had concerns and doubts, but it is never established anywhere in the movie about exactly how much information he gleaned from the Romulan with whom he melded.

So it's impossible for us to know how much Spock knew.
 
Well, sure. I'm not gonna nitpick. It's just pretty obvious that the Jellyfish was not entirely what Spock was expecting to find.
 
Well, sure. I'm not gonna nitpick. It's just pretty obvious that the Jellyfish was not entirely what Spock was expecting to find.

Yes, agreed.

The original poster asked how Spock knew about the jellyfish. Answer: Mind meld with Romulan on the Narada.
 
So - how did nuSpock know about the Jellyfish. Him and Kirk seem to already have a plan when they board the Narada, but there's nothing in the flim that I can see that explains how nuSpock knew about the Jellyfish, allowing him to take it, blast the drill, them come back and ram into the Narada.

Did I miss something?

Well, yeah. A lot of those questions are answered in the Star Trek: Countdown comics paperback, which was produced by IDW Publishing and scripted by the two writers of the movie..:bolian:

Here's a very boiled down recap: Spock (who is now a full citizen of Romulus) discovers that a sun was starting to go supernova and put on his best Jor-El face to warn the planet's leaders of impending doom. Of course, they called him a kook and went on like nothing was happening. :rommie:

But Nero (a miner who used long cables to dig into the crust of a planet to find out what minerals were there) believed Spock and used his ship and crew to get Spock to Vulcan, where they expected a more "logical" response.:vulcan:

Sadly, the Vulcans turned Spock down since he was now a Romulan. As it happened, the new ambassador to Vulcan, Jean-Luc Picard (and yes, Kirk apparently wasted his breath and his time in Generations telling Picard to stay in the center seat). Picard contacted Geordi LaForge and had him bring a new kind of ship to handle the danger, and Geordi arranged it to respond to Spock's DNA.:)

Meanwhile, Nero and company arrived in the Romulan system just in time to see it get destroyed. That sent Nero and his crew into a rage, especially when, in really bad timing, a number of Federation ships arrived to offer medical assistance.:klingon:

Intead, Nero sent bombs to the other ships, which all blew up. It was then that nero and his crew shaved their heads and had tattoos put on, which was a sign of a Romulan seeking revenge.:alienblush:

Before any more planets could be destroyed, Spock and his Jellyfish arrived and sent a container of "red matter" into the phenomenon, causing it to implode. Danger averted.:techman:

Still, Nero blamed Starfleet and especially Spock (who had promised Nero he would prevent the planet from being destroyed, and started chasing the Jellyfish. I don't remember exactly how it happened but it might have been some red matter that caught both ships and hurled them to the past.:vulcan:

I've left some details out, and I agree that we shouldn't have to read something somewhere else to appreciate the movie, but so far, it doesn't seem to have hurt the box office.:drool:

If you want to get the Countdown, your best bet would be to contact your local comics shop or go to Borders or Barnes & Noble and ask for it.:)

Hope this helps.
 
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