How can future shows retcon the errors of Star Trek Picard?

[Dukhat]

Of course never said that.

No, you just make derogatory comments about the show with almost every post you make on the subject.

Picard has flaws that should be explained in future series.

While the show does have flaws, they aren’t what you posted claiming to be flaws. And the showrunners don’t think the show is flawed, so why would they explain them in future series?

What is wrong with the UFP in Picard is a valid question

Which you asked in another thread, and the consensus of the answers indicate that it’s not as flawed as you’re making it out to be.

was the doctor in voyager deactivated?

Why would he have been? As was clearly seen in the show, holograms are still being used.

I’m not in the mood to recall other errors just recalling these errors/nits because there the easiest to recall right now.

Then perhaps you should get in the mood, because nothing you posted are actual errors.

 

[Garak234]

No, you just make derogatory comments about the show with almost every post you make on the subject.



While the show does have flaws, they aren’t what you posted claiming to be flaws. And the showrunners don’t think the show is flawed, so why would they explain them in future series?



Which you asked in another thread, and the consensus of the answers indicate that it’s not as flawed as you’re making it out to be.



Why would he have been? As was clearly seen in the show, holograms are still being used.



Then perhaps you should get in the mood, because nothing you posted are actual errors.

I asked on R Star-trek the question on the scope of the synth ban and it either only applies to Synths of the Noonian variety or it applied to all synths depending on the text of the ban itself(though Starfleet did ban augments as well). The production of the show is probably a greater problem then the Show itself, it dosent have a Startrek feel but it has its own production style I guess. (While constantly seeing legacy characters get killed off and tragedy in backstories everywhere is annoying it isn’t a logical error). The Star Trek Picard production style which emphasizes elements in universe that we have already seen(The criminal underworld, Tal Shiar, Rogue scientist, hostility towards Synths and Ex Borg, Badmirals, Borg hunting,(a Ferengi tried to kill 7) independent militias, and others) is likely going to be replicated in the Section 31 series.

 

[The Wormhole]

We get it. Except for Lower Decks, which reminds you of '90s Trek, you want Star Trek frozen in May of 2001.

I was thinking more like February 1999.

 

[Llywela]

constantly seeing legacy characters get killed off and tragedy in backstories everywhere is annoying

Constantly? That would imply the death of at least one legacy character per episode, which...did not happen. One fairly minor recurring character, one recurring guest character, and one one-off guest character from previous shows were killed. Out of all the characters that have ever appeared in Trek, that's a pretty small number. Three deaths in ten episodes is not a constant feature.

TNG killed off one or two legacy characters from previous Trek as well, let us not forget.

As far as tragedy in backstories go...let's take a look at TNG, shall we? Picard's backstory = best friend died under his command; had a traumatic near death experience in his youth. Riker's backstory = lost his mother as a small child; father abandoned him as a teen. Crusher's backstory = dead husband. Yar's backstory = grew up an orphan on a dystopic failed colony. Worf's backstory = orphaned in a terrible massacre. Wesley's backstory = dead father. Data's backstory = abandoned by his creator with no memory of where he came from. Troi's backstory = dead father; dead sister. Out of the entire TNG cast, Geordi was the only one who didn't have a tragic backstory, and his mother was lost in action during his time on the show.

And don't even get me started on DS9...

Tragic backstories are not new to Picard. They are a staple of both fiction in general and Star Trek in particular and always have been.

 

[The Wormhole]

As far as tragedy in backstories go...let's take a look at TNG, shall we? Picard's backstory = best friend died under his command; had a traumatic near death experience in his youth. Riker's backstory = lost his mother as a small child; father abandoned him as a teen. Crusher's backstory = dead husband. Yar's backstory = grew up an orphan on a dystopic failed colony. Worf's backstory = orphaned in a terrible massacre. Wesley's backstory = dead father. Data's backstory = abandoned by his creator with no memory of where he came from. Troi's backstory = dead father; dead sister. Out of the entire TNG cast, Geordi was the only one who didn't have a tragic backstory, and his mother was lost in action during his time on the show.

Yep, by the seventh season, all of TNG's main cast had lost at least one parent. Which I think that might be the only Trek series to be like that. At least of the 1966-2005 shows anyway. In TOS, Spock still had both parents alive for the duration of the TV series run. On DS9, both of Bashir's parents were still alive. Both Harry Kim's parents were alive throughout Voyager. Malcom Reed and Trip had both parents alive during Enterprise, and possibly Hoshi.

Of the current shows, I know Stamets implied both his parents were alive in the second season, though I guess now that everyone's in the 32nd century, you could say everyone's parents have died. I don't think any of the Picard characters have mentioned any living parents. On Lower Decks, both of Mariner's parents are alive. Prodigy's a bit of a gray area,

Spoiler

given the only character who seems to know any of their parents, is implied to only have one biological parent, who is still alive, though estranged.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Why would other shows retcon the deliberate decisions of Star Trek: Picard?

This. The OP doesn't like what they did, but I did (aside from issues with the finale, particularly where the xB's are forgotten)

Maybe just stay away from Picard's future seasons?

 

[Llywela]

Yep, by the seventh season, all of TNG's main cast had lost at least one parent. Which I think that might be the only Trek series to be like that. At least of the 1966-2005 shows anyway. In TOS, Spock still had both parents alive for the duration of the TV series run. On DS9, both of Bashir's parents were still alive. Both Harry Kim's parents were alive throughout Voyager. Malcom Reed and Trip had both parents alive during Enterprise, and possibly Hoshi.[/SPOILER]

Fair enough. To be honest, I got as far in my thinking as DS9 - Sisko: dead wife and PTSD; Kira: grew up on a war-ravaged occupied world, father tortured to death in front of her - and thought 'flipping heck, where does it end!' and decided to stop there!

But even the characters who don't have tragedy in their backstory usually do have some kind of past trauma or struggle that gets brought out when the spotlight is shone on them. Like Bashir's augmentation, Spock's struggles between his human and Vulcan halves and difficulties with his family, etc. That's just how storytelling works, if you go to the trouble of delving into a character's past, there needs to be something there worth examining, which then tells us more about who this person is and how they got to where they are now. Which is exactly how Picard used the backstories of its characters - some of them more tragic than others, I'll add. Jurati's biggest trauma pre-series was being dumped by her boyfriend and her research getting shut down, Raffi's was marital breakdown and being fired from her job - both difficult things to go through, sure, but not what you'd call tragedies. Soji had no pre-series trauma, although she did learn during the show that her backstory was very different than she thought it was. Even Picard's backstory here is no more personally tragic than it was during TNG, which was when his brother and nephew and Data all died; the new backstory for him here is career related - the supernova wasn't a personal tragedy for him, and while the loss of his career was devastating, that doesn't class as tragic either. So the only really tragic backstories were Elnor (orphaned refugee), Rios (witnessed the suicide of his captain, plus the whole 'your ship and crew will be destroyed if you don't cover up this murder' thing) and Seven (Icheb's death). So OP's claim that everyone on the show had tragic backstories and that tragic backstories are out of place on Star Trek is wrong on both counts, in fact.

 

[dupersuper]

We get it. Except for Lower Decks, which reminds you of '90s Trek, you want Star Trek frozen in May of 2001.

...and Prodigy...and Short Treks...and most of the past couple seasons of Discovery...and 2 out of 3 of the Kelvin movies, and hopefully Strange New Worlds...nope, I guess it's just that Picard sucked.

Sorry, I know this comment wasn't directed at me, but I'm sick to death of the "you just don't like change" argument that people inevitably fall back on any time any one criticizes any of the current shows.

 

[fireproof78]

More the point should be that Picard isn't as far away from other Treks as oftentimes claimed.

 

[Ghel]

More the point should be that Picard isn't as far away from other Treks as oftentimes claimed.

I agree. I have no problem with most of the deaths in Picard and I found Data's demise to be an improvement on Nemesis.

If I had any problem with character choices on Picard, it's how quickly Dr. Jurati went the murder of Bruce Maddox directly into a relationship with Captain Rios. Perhaps it's just me, but I don't know if I'd be ready to jump into a new relationship days/weeks after murdering my ex, regardless of whether the galaxy depended upon my actions. That struck me as a bit, erm, sociopathic.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

What a thread.

No damage done. Nothing needs fixing. Absolutely zero errors were made.

Moving along.

 

[dupersuper]

Absolutely zero errors were made.

...Wow.

 

[Sci]

What a thread.

No damage done. Nothing needs fixing. Absolutely zero errors were made.

Moving along.

...Wow.

There is no such thing as a perfect work of art. Neil Gaiman once said, I'm paraphrasing, that a novel is a long work of prose with something wrong with it; I figure that principle is true of television and film, as well. PIC S1 didn't integrate the Borg Artifact or the xBs into its narrative climax as well as it should have, for instance. But the things the O.P. identifies as errors were most assuredly not errors.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

...Wow.

I think this^.

There is no such thing as a perfect work of art. Neil Gaiman once said, I'm paraphrasing, that a novel is a long work of prose with something wrong with it; I figure that principle is true of television and film, as well. PIC S1 didn't integrate the Borg Artifact or the xBs into its narrative climax as well as it should have, for instance. But the things the O.P. identifies as errors were most assuredly not errors.

Is honestly best answered with this^.

I personally am not enamoured with Star Trek: Picard Season 1 as a whole. It is in no way perfect. However, the various 'errors' pointed out in the OP are simply examples of authorial intent that the poster in question didn't like. Icheb or Hugh dying are no more errors than Tasha Yar dying in Skin of Evil was.

I'm all for discussing relative merits of any episode of Star Trek. What I'm not for is for decisions a person didn't like being framed as something they were not. In this case, 'errors'.

 

[FederationHistorian]

How could future shows make the UFP of the Picard era less repulsive and undo the deaths of Hugh.

I get that Hugh’s death is the most senseless death in Trek history- even more that Trip Tucker’s - but what’s done is done.

Unless you’re saying either Hugh has a clone in the transporter buffer, or we visit an alternate timeline where Hugh does not die.

How will future shows explain Hugh's claim that Xb's are detested throughout the quadrant when Voyager went through massive lengths to show that the UFP was enlightened with former borg?

Are they enlightened? Picard himself is an Xb and Starfleet wanted to keep him from the Battle of Sector 001. Before that, Admiral Sati questioned him if he had fully recovered from his experience the Borg during her witchhunt.

Seven was disillusioned with the Federation; maybe the source of her disillusionment is that the Federation would not help her take down Bjayzl after Icheb's death and she felt that the reason was because both Icheb and herself were Xbs. Which explains why Seven took matters into her own hands.

And we know prejudice within the Federation is not new i.e. the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians. And that there are those within the Federation that were comfortable with genocide in the past, in both the Founders and the Borg.

Both the TNG crew and VOY crew combined are a minority and don’t represent the full Federation.

How will future shows explain Data being idle in a server?

They did explain how Data was in a server, in the scene with Data and Picard in the season finale.

Icheb's death is so definite that it probably cannot be reversed unfortunately.

I suppose it could be undone if Janeway time travels. But we don’t know if any of the VOY crew are even still in Starfleet, let alone alive. Its entirely possible that Seven is the last VOY crewmember standing as of 2399, the Doctor from “Living Witness” notwithstanding.

These errors are just one of many that while not explicitly mentioned are implied in this post.

I would love to know what other errors you see in the show.

Will Lower decks play any role in undoing Picard related damage?

Icheb and the Fenris Rangers will probably be addressed in Lower Decks. I sure the Romulan supernova will be addressed, as well as the rescue effort; remember that Spock went to Vulcan specifically to help the Romulans and not the Federation, although La Forge supposedly designed the Jellyfish according to the ST’09 Countdown comics. LD might even address Hugh and the Xbs.

And are these problems less glaring if they can be viewed as an intentional work of plot material for future Star Trek Series to explore in more depth?

PIC isn’t done telling its story, so its hard to call all of your issues with the show mistakes.

 

[Jayson1]

Not sure lots needs to be fixed but maybe the idea of a space tentacle robot God should maybe be quietly forgotten like the Remans. Of course if that doesn't work you always have the idea of a reboot, time travel and basically stories in another universe other than the Prime Universe but not sure if that counts as fixing things.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

When TPTB gathered to discuss what they'd like to make happen in future seasons of Picard, I'm 100% certain they did not discuss reversing character deaths that they had themselves actioned and approved only months earlier. I doubt sincerely that retconning their own work was even on the table, let alone a priority.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Malcom Reed and Trip had both parents alive during Enterprise, and possibly Hoshi.

But Trip lost his sister in the Xindi attack instead...

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Timey Wimey Wibbley Wobbley?

My main issue with Picard is how Commodore Oh was able to be a double agent that was so powerful, that she made it to be the head of StarFleet Security.

That's my big issue.

The amount of things that she could've compromised is mind boggling.

I'm also not a fan of JLP giving up his career and going into retirement because the Federation Council wouldn't give him more resources to help the Romulans.

There is always another solution, and to "Quit" because his "Plan A" got wrecked secretly by Commodore Oh sabotaging the "Synths" secretly into rebellion and destroying Utopia Planetia doesn't sound like JLP.

JLP should've had Plan A/B/C/D/E/F/... etc.

JLP that we knew in the TNG era wasn't a "Quitter".

He shouldn't have been a "Quitter" when he made it to Admiralty.

He should've worked with others to concoct new plans to save the Romulans.

The fact that Spock came up with the JellyFish idea to pilot that vessel and detonate the artificial BlackHole to stop the SuperNova shows that there is more than one solution.

 

[fireproof78]

There's always solutions. Was Picard able to think through them at the time? Didn't appear so, and depression will do that.