The Hirogen have a toe into the AQ and a massive boarder against the backside of Romulan Space.
How big are the other major powers in the Alpha Quadrant?
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Basically, the proof in this particular pudding would come from Vulcan families where the difference in age between the children explicitly diverged from multiples of seven years. And our best hope for such would probably be Tuvok's family.
Alas, we don't know the exact ages of the kids. We do know from explicit dialogue that his daughter, his youngest child, was conceived during a pon farr - but people can conceive kids at the anniversaries of their weddings and it doesn't follow that they'd be infertile in other days... We also know his firstborn has given him a grandkid who was conceived around the time Tuvok's daughter underwent kolinahr. What does this tell us about the relative ages of Tuvok's eldest and youngest? Sadly, nothing much, as we don't know how old you have to be to get kolinahred - or even how old you have to be to get your first pon farr. But it does take some doing to squeeze in all four of Tuvok's kids if they have to be born at seven-year intervals. (The two middle ones could be twins, tho.)
What we do learn from there is that the Vulcan generation is a matter of averaging over quite a bit of diversity. Tuvok's firstborn had to wait for almost a century; he in turn got his wife pregnant in no time flat.
What sort of generations or breeding patterns Romulans would have is utterly unknown...
Timo Saloniemi
I'm pretty sure i made most of this up, since it turns into a multi choice at the end.
1. There's a telepathic component to Vulcan sex. Without telepathy it's not sex.
2. They meld while ####ing.
3. Pon far ends when one dude kills another dude, or a dude can't find something vaginalike connected to a telepathic personality that notices the telepathic presence connected to the penis and interlocks mentally.
4a. Pon Far also ends at orgasm, a massive telepathic emotional explosion.
Or...
4b. Pon far also ends at conception, a telepathic explosion of a new life coming into being.
Or...
4c. Pon far ends when they get bored of boning like bosses.
1. There's a telepathic component to Vulcan sex. Without telepathy it's not sex.
2. They meld while ####ing.
3. Pon far ends when one dude kills another dude, or a dude can't find something vaginalike connected to a telepathic personality that notices the telepathic presence connected to the penis and interlocks mentally.
4a. Pon Far also ends at orgasm, a massive telepathic emotional explosion.
Or...
4b. Pon far also ends at conception, a telepathic explosion of a new life coming into being.
Or...
4c. Pon far ends when they get bored of boning like bosses.
Well, on screen, we get solid confirmation for one thing at least: in pon farr, there's no necessity of either 1) taking a mate or 2) dying. Spock, Vorik and Tuvok all clearly managed without.
It is possible that pon farr culminates in the messy plak tow, which in turn may lead to the kohn ut kal if fee fight, which in turn may result in a death or several. But whenever those things happen, they are treated as anomalies, sending stoic Vulcans gasping in surprise and displeasure.
In general, if there's a male in plak tow, odds of lots of copulation are likely to be high - a Vulcan male who refuses to listen is pretty much an irresistible force. But one can catch plak tow from the telepathic equivalent of a dirty toilet, apparently, rather than having to wait for pon farr or a particular calendar date. And certainly one can have sex without having plak tow, even if it requires some of the many chemicals a modern Vulcan industry can effortlessly provide.
Basically, the only thing left dangling is whether sex outside the seven-year cycle will result in kids. We can easily postulate that there'd be a biological complication there to that effect - perhaps also that this is a female thing, giving the fairer sex at least some say in the overall process. But the point is, we are under no onscreen obligation to postulate that.
Timo Saloniemi
It is possible that pon farr culminates in the messy plak tow, which in turn may lead to the kohn ut kal if fee fight, which in turn may result in a death or several. But whenever those things happen, they are treated as anomalies, sending stoic Vulcans gasping in surprise and displeasure.
In general, if there's a male in plak tow, odds of lots of copulation are likely to be high - a Vulcan male who refuses to listen is pretty much an irresistible force. But one can catch plak tow from the telepathic equivalent of a dirty toilet, apparently, rather than having to wait for pon farr or a particular calendar date. And certainly one can have sex without having plak tow, even if it requires some of the many chemicals a modern Vulcan industry can effortlessly provide.
Basically, the only thing left dangling is whether sex outside the seven-year cycle will result in kids. We can easily postulate that there'd be a biological complication there to that effect - perhaps also that this is a female thing, giving the fairer sex at least some say in the overall process. But the point is, we are under no onscreen obligation to postulate that.
Timo Saloniemi
Boarder? So they've moved in already?
Sorry, I meant to say that Romulans have a massive broader backside.
Is it just Vulcan males that have ponn farr? Didn't we hear somewhere that females do too?
If they do, then only do the nasty every 7 years makes no sense. The chances that man vulcans and lady vulcans 7 year cycles tally up perfectly seems pretty steep. Either the entire population ponn farrs at the same time, or a ponn farring vulcan has to find a mate who's also ponn farring.
Much easier if they can still do it when just one of them is...
If they do, then only do the nasty every 7 years makes no sense. The chances that man vulcans and lady vulcans 7 year cycles tally up perfectly seems pretty steep. Either the entire population ponn farrs at the same time, or a ponn farring vulcan has to find a mate who's also ponn farring.
Much easier if they can still do it when just one of them is...
Or, as with pretty much all other sapient species that practices monogamy and other types of committed relationships, whenever they just want to share a little intimacy. Pon Farr is portrayed as, in essence, heat as expressed by females(dogs, for instance). It's comparable to ovulation in human women. As such, it doesn't need to be happening for a couple to want to share intimacy(not necessarily having sex, but that goes along for the ride).
As such, Pon Farr isn't necessary for conception to take place. All Pon Farr is really for is to ensure that when someone wants to have some nookie, there's someone available to ask if they want it as well.
As such, Pon Farr isn't necessary for conception to take place. All Pon Farr is really for is to ensure that when someone wants to have some nookie, there's someone available to ask if they want it as well.
Is there anything expressed in canon somewhere about their attitude regarding sex generally? Something to be put up with, highly anticipated, or just an ordinary if discretely dealt with part of domestic life? How about mention of and discussion of sex outside marriage as something normally accepted in Vulcan society, not in an extreme situation like the plak tow?
Vulcan children are telepathically bonded/betrothed when they're around 10.
This syncs their cycles.
In the case of Vorrik, while he was already well into Pon Farr trapped in the DQ, he telepathically Bonded with B'Elanna, which triggered the appropriate female reactions in her libido, who then fired out a telepathic probe at Tom to invite him into a murder/sex threesome. Either B'Elana briefly got telepathy, she's always had telepathy or (Have you played Missile Command?) she subconsciously directed Vorrik's telepathy for him.
T'Pol's pon far got triggered randomly and prematurely in season 2ish of Enterprise, and she tried to mount Phlox, who seems to be aggressively haphephobic despite indulging in orgies with dozens of spouses back home.
This syncs their cycles.
In the case of Vorrik, while he was already well into Pon Farr trapped in the DQ, he telepathically Bonded with B'Elanna, which triggered the appropriate female reactions in her libido, who then fired out a telepathic probe at Tom to invite him into a murder/sex threesome. Either B'Elana briefly got telepathy, she's always had telepathy or (Have you played Missile Command?) she subconsciously directed Vorrik's telepathy for him.
T'Pol's pon far got triggered randomly and prematurely in season 2ish of Enterprise, and she tried to mount Phlox, who seems to be aggressively haphephobic despite indulging in orgies with dozens of spouses back home.
That's probably it. Phlox is so used to being with his spouses, and their spouses, and their spouses, all at once, that a little one on one got him flustered and he panicked.
Not entirely, for this bloke it was a firmly documented condition, Cutler had trouble finding permissible ways to touch him when she was trying to make inroads to romance.
Well, the one on one can be with T'Pol or Cutler, either one. Or anyone else, probably. That it's one on one is what flusters him.
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