How about this AICN report?

[CaptainJon]

It's hard to imagine someone getting their hands on the complete script for the movie, especially considering the amount of security involved in this film. Some of the cast haven't even seen the whole script, according to some of the interviews of cast members.

You never know, though. This could be legit, it might not be. We'll find out next Christmas.

 

[FordSVT]

scotthm said:

FordSVT said:
People here would be shocked to learn Kirk was a ...hedonist as a teenager and young adult? ...Me thinks some of you might want to go back and watch TOS for the 14th time, I think you missed something....

Possibly, but I think it's more likely that you imagined something.

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Oh really? Like the constant rule breaking/bending, the womanizing, the penchant for a fight. Nope, nothing there suggests he was anything more than your typical boyscout.

Some of you seem to think this is a bad characterization of Kirk. I think it fits right in. He excels at his job and he's a risk taker. In literature, it's often those who start out rough around the edges who ascend to greatness. No one's saying he has to be some jock goof-off or some stereotypical bad-boy, I think that's reading too much into this. He's obviously still got to portray Kirk's later qualities, or at least show him forming those traits: he's loyal, brave, intelligent, cunning.

And he likes the ladies.

 

[number6]

FordSVT said:

And he likes the ladies.

No he's gay. He wore pastel and spent his spare time decorating the barracks. Young Spock was his first love, until older Spock goes back in time and shows Kirk his first Vagina, played by Winona Ryder. It is then that Kirk gets his first taste of feminine vulva and goes on a major pussy quest. It became an obsession, worse than that honey flavoured vampire cloud. He craved it and would kill for it. It didn't matter what colour or how high the go-go boots. He had to have it. He reprogrammed the simulation and saved that ship for the power of the pussy. He killed his best friend with a giant slab of rock so he could boink Elisabeth Dehner and get some of her silver-eyed skull. He put that pimp Mudd in prison so he could get himself some Summer's Eve!! The only reason he had to put Kodos behind bars was so he could play Othello with that fine Ophelia. He even switched bodies with an exgirlfriend to get in touch with his inner pussy!! But Spock was the catalyst. He had to go back in time and turn him from being gay.

 

[Beyerstein]

FordSVT said:

scotthm said:

FordSVT said:
People here would be shocked to learn Kirk was a ...hedonist as a teenager and young adult? ...Me thinks some of you might want to go back and watch TOS for the 14th time, I think you missed something....

Possibly, but I think it's more likely that you imagined something.

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Oh really? Like the constant rule breaking/bending, the womanizing, the penchant for a fight. Nope, nothing there suggests he was anything more than your typical boyscout.

Some of you seem to think this is a bad characterization of Kirk. I think it fits right in. He excels at his job and he's a risk taker. In literature, it's often those who start out rough around the edges who ascend to greatness. No one's saying he has to be some jock goof-off or some stereotypical bad-boy, I think that's reading too much into this. He's obviously still got to portray Kirk's later qualities, or at least show him forming those traits: he's loyal, brave, intelligent, cunning.

And he likes the ladies.

But doesn't he become that way later on?

When Ron Moore was talking about the Tapestry episode he said they wanted Picard to be shown as a reckless youth who got stabbed through the heart in contrast to Kirk who was supposed to have been like the perfect student at the academy and then became rebellious and skirt chasing later on.

or something like that.

anyway, anytime you remember the script is by the guys who wrote Transformers it makes it pretty easy to believe it won't be any good.

 

[FordSVT]

Beyerstein said:

FordSVT said:

scotthm said:

FordSVT said:
People here would be shocked to learn Kirk was a ...hedonist as a teenager and young adult? ...Me thinks some of you might want to go back and watch TOS for the 14th time, I think you missed something....

Possibly, but I think it's more likely that you imagined something.

---------------

Oh really? Like the constant rule breaking/bending, the womanizing, the penchant for a fight. Nope, nothing there suggests he was anything more than your typical boyscout.

Some of you seem to think this is a bad characterization of Kirk. I think it fits right in. He excels at his job and he's a risk taker. In literature, it's often those who start out rough around the edges who ascend to greatness. No one's saying he has to be some jock goof-off or some stereotypical bad-boy, I think that's reading too much into this. He's obviously still got to portray Kirk's later qualities, or at least show him forming those traits: he's loyal, brave, intelligent, cunning.

And he likes the ladies.

But doesn't he become that way later on?

When Ron Moore was talking about the Tapestry episode he said they wanted Picard to be shown as a reckless youth who got stabbed through the heart in contrast to Kirk who was supposed to have been like the perfect student at the academy and then became rebellious and skirt chasing later on.

or something like that.

That's Moore's interpretation, AFAIK there's nothing canon for that opinion to be based on.

anyway, anytime you remember the script is by the guys who wrote Transformers it makes it pretty easy to believe it won't be any good.

I loved Transformers.

 

[Sharr Khan]

anyway, anytime you remember the script is by the guys who wrote Transformers it makes it pretty easy to believe it won't be any good.

Yeah how dare they write a successful blockbuster movie. This kinda line loses traction, given the fact that Transformers was a success weather or not some internet fanboys had issues with it. Trek could only hope to do so "bad".

Plus Transformers is a rather enjoyable film.

Sharr

 

[Fedaykin]

Yeah how dare they write a successful blockbuster movie. This kinda line loses traction, given the fact that Transformers was a success weather or not some internet fanboys had issues with it. Trek could only hope to do so "bad".

Plus Transformers is a rather enjoyable film.

Sharr

Right on. Most "laypeople" I know(non sci-fi/comic/cartoon/whatever-geeks) really enjoyed Transformers. It wasn't Lawrence of Arabia, it was giant freakin' robots doing robot shit.

Of course, we expect more from Star Trek...but let's face it, the fan community hasn't gotten what we supposedly expect from Trek in many years, at least for me since DS9 ended. A Star Trek blockbuster would be cool for a change...not the strictly budgeted and ny the numbers affairs we have been getting. Look at Casino royale, the best Bond in at least 30 years in my opinion. Gimme some of that noise.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Right on. Most "laypeople" I know(non sci-fi/comic/cartoon/whatever-geeks) really enjoyed Transformers. It wasn't Lawrence of Arabia, it was giant freakin' robots doing robot shit.

Transformers had a surprising range of people who went to see it. Fans, kids, and "old people". We also have to keep in mind it was written to conform to Bay's movie making style - no one denies that at all.

Trek cannot be arch, just to show off how "smart" its supposed to be, its got to be fun.

So if Kirk's a frat boy (an image that clicks for me...) I'm fine. Some of us forget when we see Kirk and Spock, they're not going to be the Kirk and Spock we've come to know since they're at a totally different stage in their lives. Simply for stories sake they need room to grow from point A to point Z in the film.

Oh Roberto Orci has responded to AICN's "report" over at Trekmovie.com

Roberto Orci Responds to AICN

I'll take Nimoy & Orci over AICN myself.

Sharr

 

[StarMan]

I think it's absolutely fantastic that Orci has taken time to respond to these reports and "reviews". :thumbsup:

 

[scotthm]

FordSVT said:

scotthm said:
Possibly, but I think it's more likely that you imagined something.

Oh really? Like the constant rule breaking/bending, the womanizing, the penchant for a fight. Nope, nothing there suggests he was anything more than your typical boyscout.

The Kirk of TOS was certainly headstrong and manipulative, but you implied that watching TOS should give us the impression that the young Kirk was hedonistic, and that's the part that you're just imagining. There is nothing in TOS to give this impression.

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[Lumen]

I don't believe some of the stuff in the report. Particularly about

Spoiler: the report

the Enterprise being built in Area 51

 

[scotthm]

Sharr Khan said:

anyway, anytime you remember the script is by the guys who wrote Transformers it makes it pretty easy to believe it won't be any good.

Yeah how dare they write a successful blockbuster movie.

The quality of the script often bears no relationship whatsoever with the success of the film, so suggesting that a script was good simply because the film was successful is bogus.

As far as I know, I haven't seen any of the work by any of those involved in this project (except for Nimoy's), so I'm cautiously optimistic, at the moment. We'll see what the upcoming trailer has to offer.

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[scotthm]

Fedaykin said:
Most "laypeople" I know... really enjoyed Transformers. It wasn't Lawrence of Arabia, it was giant freakin' robots doing robot shit.

This speaks more about the people you know than the quality of the film. The question is, will people still want to watch Transformers in 40 years?

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[Sharr Khan]

The quality of the script often bears no relationship whatsoever with the success of the film, so suggesting that a script was good simply because the film was successful is bogus.

Considering a script is the jumping off point for all other aspects of production, I think it has a great deal of bearing on the final product. You can't get something from nothing as it were. If there was nothing of worth there for the director or F/X team to start from.

So yes having a good script is not incidental to the outcome of the final product.

And who said the script was "good" (I never read it) I just said they wrote a blockbuster movie. You can't take that away from them.

Sharr

 

[CaptainJon]

StarMan said:
I think it's absolutely fantastic that Orci has taken time to respond to these reports and "reviews". :thumbsup:

I agree! He knows how damaging this "review" can be to the image of the film before it even comes out, and is trying to maintain that image. Good for him!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Interesting report about the effects footage. I look forward to the trailer in two weeks.

The "script review" is not a script review at all, and is worthless.

 

[scotthm]

Sharr Khan said:

The quality of the script often bears no relationship whatsoever with the success of the film, so suggesting that a script was good simply because the film was successful is bogus.

Considering a script is the jumping off point for all other aspects of production, I think it has a great deal of bearing on the final product. You can't get something from nothing as it were. If there was nothing of worth there for the director or F/X team to start from.
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So yes having a good script is not incidental to the outcome of the final product.

I never said the script was incidental to the quality of the movie, just to the success.

And who said the script was "good" (I never read it) I just said they wrote a blockbuster movie. You can't take that away from them.

But I see you already know that 'good movie' is not the same as 'successful movie'.

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[Admiral Buzzkill]

scotthm said:But I see you already know that 'good movie' is not the same as 'successful movie'.

That's true - there have been several successful "Star Trek" movies after all.

 

[scotthm]

Starship Polaris said:

scotthm said:But I see you already know that 'good movie' is not the same as 'successful movie'.

That's true - there have been several successful "Star Trek" movies after all.

Quite right, and I really wouldn't mind too much if they hadn't been made.

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[Sharr Khan]

But I see you already know that 'good movie' is not the same as 'successful movie'.

Actually I disagree. Most successful movies must posses a certain amount of "goodness" to attain success and popularity.

I don't want a "good movie" (that is it dot's all the Trekkie "I"s so Trekkies will deem it "good") if the outcome ultimately fails. I want a successful movie first and foremost. This is something I think most hardcore fans have lost sight of.

Sharr