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House - 5x23 "Under My Skin": Discussion and Spoilers

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If it wasn't a hallucination then this is complete and utter nonsensical jump the shark bullshit.

How so, seeing as how there's been sexual tension there from the start, they almost hooked up a few times already, and it's been hinted that something happened in the past?

Don't see how this remotely qualifies as a "jump the shark" moment (although that phrase itself has long since "jumped the shark" :techman: )...
 
Chase is an idiot. He could get hit by a car tomorrow, and Cameron would be left with nothing. What's the harm in her keeping the frozen sperm of her dead husband? Heck, we don't even know if Chase is fertile. How would he feel if Cameron were forced to use a sperm bank (after getting rid of the dead husband's sperm)?
 
Don't see how this remotely qualifies as a "jump the shark" moment (although that phrase itself has long since "jumped the shark" :techman: )...

Uh, for one thing he's detoxing. No one overcomes detox in one night! That's insulting to people who actually do do drugs and do have to go through detox. It also shits on past episodes where it took him a long, long time to get over it (Detox in season one) and even then he failed.
 
They should've had Cuddy come over with some IV fluids, etc, to put him through Ultra-Rapid Detox. But yeah, it's odd and unlikely he "detoxed" inside of 12 hours. (When, again, in Season 1 he suffered for the better part of the week. Though he seemed to do it better then, maybe he was sneaking some then -prolonging his detox torture?)
 
No, I don't think he cheated back then. I think, since Kutner's death, he's been more addicted than ever before.
 
Cameron married her first husband because he was dieing. Now she's using the spermsicle as a way to drive Chase off...again. The women is afraid of a real commitment. Chase needs to wise up and just drop her. She's only going to fall for a guy who is dieing, or one where she knows the relationship will fall apart, that way she doesn't have to fear divorce, infidelity or an unexpected death.

She wont commit. Chase needs to move on.
 
They should've had Cuddy come over with some IV fluids, etc, to put him through Ultra-Rapid Detox. But yeah, it's odd and unlikely he "detoxed" inside of 12 hours. (When, again, in Season 1 he suffered for the better part of the week. Though he seemed to do it better then, maybe he was sneaking some then -prolonging his detox torture?)

The brain naturally produces a variety of opioid which interact with natural opioid receptors in the brain. The interaction between these natural opiods and the opioid receptors regulate a great many physical and neurological functions, including pain.

Opioid provided for pain relief produce a substantially more powerful reaction when they bind with the opioid receptors in the brain, compared to the opioid that the brain naturally produces. Furthermore, they are usually taken in larger doses than the brain naturally makes. In response to the effects of the opioid pain reliever, the brain cuts back on its production of natural opioid and reduces the number of opioid receptors that it has and the sensitivity of those remaining opioid receptors. This is why tolerance is developed. Dependency goes hand-in-hand with tolerance, because your brain has adjusted to the opioid intake such that it functions normally at the heightened opioid levels; the opioid produced by the brain naturally are no longer enough to preform their normal functions.

Withdrawal is from opioid is, simply, opioid deficiency, potentially lethal opioid deficiency. Which is why cold turkey is a stupidest thing that anyone can do. The gradual approach gives the brain time to build up new more sensitive opioid receptors and increase its production of natural opoids.
This does take time.
Quitting cold turkey and taking opioid blocking drugs makes it faster, because the brain's response is proportional to the severity of the deficiency, but that method is also fairly dangerous.

On the other hand, Vicoden is glorified Tylenol, seriously. Hydrocodone, the opioid present in Vicoden, is the crappiest of all the opioid pain relievers. It's almost totally useless, really. I speak from experience. The other component of Vicoden is common over-the-counter acetaminophen. For this reason, House's withdrawal symptoms and is likely to be significantly less than those of people who take the good stuff.

Of course, hallucination isn't a side effect of vicoden, so the whole thing doesn't make much sense. Good soap opera, though.
 
No, I don't think he cheated back then. I think, since Kutner's death, he's been more addicted than ever before.

He's been taking Viccodin for the better part of the last decade, so it'd be hard to think he's "more addicted now" than he was just four short years ago and back then not only was he sick/detoxing for the better part of a week but he did it without help from Cuddy and Wilson sitting with him at home to ensure that he wasn't sneaking some. (Of course back then he didn't have the comedic levels of viccodin stashed around his home, likely, as back then the show had a bit more dramatic/"realistic" tone.)
 
I finally watched the episode tonight and loved every bit of it. If the detox bit is not a hallucination then it does seem unrealistic in its quickness... but that's just a minor annoyance for me> I don't mean to dismiss the concerns of people who obviously know far more about medicine than I, but I watch the sow to be entertained and this episode really did entertain me.

As for the Cuddy/House session.... I really don't want it to be another hallucination. I'm tired of the prolonged sexual tension aspect whenever it's presented. ENough already. Let it be true and get it over with.

Chase... is guilty of nothing more than being a little naive and maybe a bit of insensitivity. But his feelings are more than understandable if not natural. Cameron's holding on to her past, which in turn means she can't hold onto what she has now in the present. She's the one unwilling or unable to commit, but Chase is the one who believes - however impractical it might be - that they can weather whatever happens. Of course nobody knows for sure but he's apparently willing to work on it.
 
Of course, hallucination isn't a side effect of vicoden, so the whole thing doesn't make much sense. Good soap opera, though.

If that's the case, I would have expected the guy who writes those medical reviews to mention it either this week or last. Are you sure it's never possible? (Great episode btw)
 
I'm not sure it's never possible, but it's not sufficiently possible to be listed as a potential side-effect.
 
I'm not sure it's never possible, but it's not sufficiently possible to be listed as a potential side-effect.

Fair play. It seems highly unlikely that any hallucinations would present themselves in the way that House experiences them anyway - although it has been a great storyline :)
 
I'm not sure it's never possible, but it's not sufficiently possible to be listed as a potential side-effect.

It's actually listed as a rare side-effect.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-345...rugid=3459&drugname=Vicodin+Oral&pagenumber=6

Here's a quote from an addiction center:

"As time goes on, Vicodin addiction will lead to many other problems. These Vicodin side effects can be things such as liver damage, uncontrollable sweating, sexual impotence, confusion and disorientation, along with vision problems and possible hallucinations. This can also lead to a person going into a comatose state and eventually death. Vicodin addiction, along with prescription drug addiction is very dangerous. In fact, many people each year die from prescription drug addiction. Be sure and monitor the Vicodin side effects closely."

http://www.addiction2.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=124
 
As one continues to use Vicodin on a prolonged basis, the effects tend to become more noticeable. Initially, a person may experience constipation, dizziness, skin rashes or nausea. By this time, he or she is already addicted to the drug. As the Vicodin addiction progresses and tolerance increases, more significant symptoms tend to occur. These symptoms may include an irregular heart rate, confusion, isolation and, in the late stages of a Vicodin addiction, hallucinations.

http://www.recoveryconnection.org/drug_index/vicodin.php

If Vicodin is used for a long period of time then the effects of Vicodin can create long term damage. The first side effects a person may experience are constipation, changes in heart rate, dizziness and sickness. As a person gets addicted to Vicodin the side effects can get worse and result in blurry vision, severe confusion and hallucinations.

http://www.rehab-international.org/vicodin-rehab-guide/

The physical effects of Vicodin addiction include, but are not limited to:

  • Confusion
  • Constipation
  • Dizziness
  • Hallucinations
  • Irregular heartbeat
  • Isolation
http://www.womenstreatmentprogram.com/vicodin-addiction.php
 
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