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House - 5x13 "Big Baby" - Discussion and Spoilers
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I can't believe Foreman would risk his career by tainting the study in such an extreme manner.
By my count that's now three things the guy has done to bring question to his "ethics" as a doctor.
1. He "totured" a kid in mid-late season 3 with bone-marrow extraction. He couldn't put the kid on pain killers but the kid wanted to give his bone-marrow to save his brother. (And in case it wasn't obvious, sticking a needle into your thigh and sucking out the stuff inside your bones isn't exactly painless even when ON the pain killers!)
2. When running his own diagnostics department in NYC for a short time in Season 4 he flagrantly disobeyed the orders of his Dean of Medicine/the Hospital Director and performed a risky procedure on his patient that wasn't approved. This lead to Foreman being fired. And while House gets away with that kind of BS all of the time, well, House has a lot more weight and clout to throw around.
And now this deal. I question Foreman's ethics as a doctor, which is odd considering House's antics are arguably far worse but, again, House has his brillance to toss around behind it, Foreman not-so-much.
By my count that's now three things the guy has done to bring question to his "ethics" as a doctor.
1. He "totured" a kid in mid-late season 3 with bone-marrow extraction. He couldn't put the kid on pain killers but the kid wanted to give his bone-marrow to save his brother. (And in case it wasn't obvious, sticking a needle into your thigh and sucking out the stuff inside your bones isn't exactly painless even when ON the pain killers!)
2. When running his own diagnostics department in NYC for a short time in Season 4 he flagrantly disobeyed the orders of his Dean of Medicine/the Hospital Director and performed a risky procedure on his patient that wasn't approved. This lead to Foreman being fired. And while House gets away with that kind of BS all of the time, well, House has a lot more weight and clout to throw around.
And now this deal. I question Foreman's ethics as a doctor, which is odd considering House's antics are arguably far worse but, again, House has his brillance to toss around behind it, Foreman not-so-much.
It's supposed to be excused by the fact that he's so in love with Thirteen. What can you do? 
I agree, that scene was terrible. How dangerous to have that baby screaming during a brain sugery. And saying the procedure was unnecessary in front of the pt!?! Yikes.
Yeah, I mean House should smack him down for it -if the mess didn't get House's neurons to fire.
But here's a conscious patient with her scalp removed having her brain worked on and he calls up Cuddy to tattle. He broadcasts the call over the operating theater's PA where Cuddy tells House to stop the procedure that they are already doing and that it is not necessary. This, naturally, freaks the patient out, then Cuddy's baby starts crying, everyone is yelling at each other, arguing, the patient is freaking out over the baby's cries, it was pandemonium!!! Kutner! SHUT OFF THE PHONE!
(It was interesting, too, that on the PD link the blogger did say that a form of Cuddy's adoption initiated PPD.)
It's supposed to be excused by the fact that he's so in love with Thirteen. What can you do?
See I found those scenes particularly good. Its a frequent questions in ethics and law classes on some exams to ask a similar question to that one.
Someone you (Foreman) are close to (Thirteen) is deathly ill (Huntingtons). You have the possibility of alleviating their suffering (switching her trial to the actual medication), but to do so violates the law (violates the validity of the test, runs the risk of terminating his medical license). What do you do and justify your response.
Many times the answer is while it violates the laws of man it was ethically justified to end suffering. As for Foreman acting somewhat like House and doing things he would do, all of the above cases commented upon by Trekker are things that House would have done. Foreman is (as Cuddy said) House-lite.
You don't switch the medicine. You have a right to possibly undermine the results of a very important medical trial because you're in love with one of the subjects? What about the others in the trial? What about Huntingtons' patients in general if these drugs really were a breakthrough? It's just too dicey. Foreman should lose his license, period.
Then again, I'd be thoroughly intrigued by the story if it involved two characters whose relationship I actually cared about. C'est la vie.
Then again, I'd be thoroughly intrigued by the story if it involved two characters whose relationship I actually cared about. C'est la vie.
^ Like I said it is a question that is open to interpretation. They really like questions like that on ethics exams.
Another of my favorites:
You are the leader of a city during a time of war. You have broken enemy communication codes and learned of a major attack upon the city in three days. What do you do?
1. Conduct a mass evacuation
2. Evacuate a few but leave the majority
3. Leave the area prior to the attack and leave the people behind
4. Do nothing at all
Another of my favorites:
You are the leader of a city during a time of war. You have broken enemy communication codes and learned of a major attack upon the city in three days. What do you do?
1. Conduct a mass evacuation
2. Evacuate a few but leave the majority
3. Leave the area prior to the attack and leave the people behind
4. Do nothing at all
It's supposed to be excused by the fact that he's so in love with Thirteen. What can you do?
It's clear you don't like the actress or character, but repeating the same mantra so often isn't going to make things better, only cause annoyances here. I understand your objections, and it's not as if I am a major fan of Olivia Wilde / Thirteen. However, it's all a matter of personal preference. Some of this storyline bugs me, such as the romance, because that seemed to come out of nowhere. However, I tend to look that over a bit, because the structure of the show to begin with doesn't allow for long-term gestation of story ideas easily. Some do work out, but they alreayd have a fe of those in place. They can't drag them all out or it's hard for the audience to follow.
As for which is the better actress, I don't find Jennifer Morrison to exactly mirror Cate Blanchett here. Her facial expressions seem awfulyl limited. Then again, we know the character very well, a great deal better than we do Thirteen, so maybe we give Morrison/Cameron a bit of a pass.
But lighten up already.
Not to the specific statement you made that I was responding to. You suggested that Thirteen was only being featured heavily in recent episodes because "the network insisted on a hot female body." Which is illogical because in order for it to be a valid premise, there would have to be something new about having a "hot female body" on the show -- which there isn't. Thirteen has been around for two seasons, and Cameron has been around from the beginning. So it is a complete non sequitur to suggest that the recent prominence of Thirteen as a character is due to some network desire to remedy the lack of sex appeal in the show. There is no way that can possibly work as a cause-and-effect relationship.
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Okay, I give up. I'll play elsewhere from the House threads and cease to annoy.
I actually liked Bela but Kripke smartly didn't focus on her in every episode nor did he have the episodes she was in completely revolve around her. Also, while the character could get irritating, I had no problems with Laren Cohan's acting. Olivia Wilde is more hit and miss.
It's clear you don't like the actress or character, but repeating the same mantra so often isn't going to make things better, only cause annoyances here.
But lighten up already.
She doesn't need to lighten up at all. This is nothing compared to what goes on in the BSG thread and so on. At least there is reasoning behind her complaints.
I think there's been too much focus on these kind of plot threads this season. I think part of the brilliance of the earlier seasons was that they would tie the character development in with the patient storyline which was the primary focus. Think about everything they managed to do with Chase's character while still keeping focus on the patient. Now they just have the characters run off and interact and add the patient in as an afterthought.
