"Moffat can fuck off."Chibnall can fuck off.
"RTD can fuck off."
"JNT can fuck off."
...all this has happened before and all this will happen again...
"Moffat can fuck off."Chibnall can fuck off.
No thanks.Someone on Reddit posted a theory for Chibnall's five season endgame that would fix people's remaining problems with the whole "Timeless Child" thing too, provided Chibnall actually does something similar.
https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/...eory_on_how_chibnall_is_going_to_end_his_run/
The doctor is dealing with the usual end of season threat (Daleks, Cybermen, Daleks, pick one) when the Tardis takes her into the future where she meets up with what she believes is here last regeneration, the final Doctor. Bonus points if it turns out to be Tom Baker as the curator. They work together to defeat the threat, but the doctor is critically injured and her future self is killed in the process. She then witnesses her future self regenerate one last time into a child... The Timeless child. Before she, herself, regenerates,, she instructs the Tardis to take the child somewhere safe. The Tardis opens up a portal in space and time and sends the child through it where she is then discovered by a lone Galifreyan explorer.
The doctor's life is one big time loop making her the ultimate boot strap paradox.
Can't he just have a regenerated Rani make upo an elaborate plan for the Master to destroy Gallifrey while also fooling him and the Doctor about the Timeless Child bullshit? Or something like that?Someone on Reddit posted a theory for Chibnall's five season endgame that would fix people's remaining problems with the whole "Timeless Child" thing too, provided Chibnall actually does something similar.
https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/...eory_on_how_chibnall_is_going_to_end_his_run/
The doctor is dealing with the usual end of season threat (Daleks, Cybermen, Daleks, pick one) when the Tardis takes her into the future where she meets up with what she believes is here last regeneration, the final Doctor. Bonus points if it turns out to be Tom Baker as the curator. They work together to defeat the threat, but the doctor is critically injured and her future self is killed in the process. She then witnesses her future self regenerate one last time into a child... The Timeless child. Before she, herself, regenerates,, she instructs the Tardis to take the child somewhere safe. The Tardis opens up a portal in space and time and sends the child through it where she is then discovered by a lone Galifreyan explorer.
The doctor's life is one big time loop making her the ultimate boot strap paradox.
The Doctor was always going to perpetually regenerate by simple virtue of being the lead character of the franchise. Or did you actually believe every time Moffat did the "the Doctor faces permanent death for real this time" storyline there was a possibility that this time it might actually happen?removed any real danger from the Doctor by having them perpetually regenerate.
We know that for almost every lead character in a motion picture/high profile show, ever. Star Trek included. I mean, its one thing to go to a Bond film expecting thrills and excitement, its another to go in and know that Bond is an immortal superhero. Immediately, all sense of danger for the character is gone. The idea that Doctor Who should embrace this philosophy of "the Doctor never dies, so make his life infinite" is ludicrous, and its preposterous that someone of Chibnall's calibre thought would pass off as acceptable entertainment.The Doctor was always going to perpetually regenerate by simple virtue of being the lead character of the franchise. Or did you actually believe every time Moffat did the "the Doctor faces permanent death for real this time" storyline there was a possibility that this time it might actually happen?
And therein lies the fundamental nexus point between the people who love the Timeless bs and the people who hate it. You can't have a protagonist be continuously heroic if you know and THEY know they'll survive the affair. It robs of the experience of the journey.Meh, I go into every Bond movie knowing Bond is an immortal superhero. Doesn't ruin my enjoyment of anything. Indeed, I find the whole argument that one needs the possibility that main characters can die in order to enjoy a show/movie rather silly.
I don't go into Doctor Who expecting him to die anytime soon. But that doesn't mean there isn't an element of tension involved. Indeed, Time of the Doctor doesn't work nearly as well, at all in fact, if you don't believe that the Eleventh Doctor really is the last incarnation of the Doctor. Point being, stories benefit more from not setting in stone the longevity of the character. Its a bad mechanism derived from misjudged sentimentality for the property, and in this case it didn't help it was paired with some really, really poor writing.My point is, for ninety percent of television viewing, the audience can be one hundred percent certain that the main characters won't die. It doesn't seem to hurt their enjoyment of it at all.
The Doctor was always going to perpetually regenerate by simple virtue of being the lead character of the franchise. Or did you actually believe every time Moffat did the "the Doctor faces permanent death for real this time" storyline there was a possibility that this time it might actually happen?
But Bond doesn’t.Meh, I go into every Bond movie knowing Bond is an immortal superhero.
I never once felt that Smith was THE last incarnation. I have always know, since I started watching in the 70s, that they would handwave some way for the Doctor to continue to regenerate. The interest for me was how the handwave would function. But I have NEVER felt the Doctor was in any mortal peril.Indeed, Time of the Doctor doesn't work nearly as well, at all in fact, if you don't believe that the Eleventh Doctor really is the last incarnation of the Doctor.
And? In the end we always knew the Doctor would regenerate anyway. Since otherwise there'd be no show, indeed no franchise.But previous eras did at least hype up or throw in ways where regeneration cannot save the Doctor.
And? In the end we always knew the Doctor would regenerate anyway. Since otherwise there'd be no show, indeed no franchise.
For me? Wondering how he is going to get out of THIS one. For example, the end of Utopia. I never had any doubt the doctor would beat the Master, get his TARDIS back, not die, etc, but I had no idea HOW he was going to do it and that had me on pins and needles the entire week. It was great.Fuck me, this is fucking Doctor Who. A show that started as a series of serials each with a distinct cliffhanger. What's the point of the cliffhanger if you know the Doctor will survive at the end.
It fundamentally important that the lead character's peril be a believeable one. To me, making him perpetually immortal, unwilling rape victim, the root of his entire race and more importantly rendering Hartnell, the man who, flaws and all, made the show the success it was when it started, not the Doctor. He's now the Unknown Incarnation of the Timeless Child.
^^thisIts exactly the kind of fanwank that keep casual fans and just casual audiences out of Who.
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