Honest Obituary??
- Thread starter Gil T.Azell
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It sounds like the people who will miss him will have appreciated that. Aside from that, I have no real thoughts. I'm not convinced obituaries are for honesty, but they're also not for the dead. They're for those whose lives they touched (for the better). This sounds appropriate for them.
I'm all for honesty. If someone was a complete asshole one should be allowed to say so. A lie isn't good for the deceased nor for the survivers. This orbituary, I think, is pretty well balanced. It gives you the good and bad sides of the person, just as his life did. I'd like to see more of these around. It might perhaps make people start to think about the way they are being seen by others.
I disagree with that. A lie is neither good nor bad for the deceased (it's simply irrelevant), but it can be quite good for the survivors who are looking for closure and appropriate sentimentality, not truth or fiction.
Personally, I prefer brutal honesty over white lies (which statistically goes for most of my countrymen and -women from what I've been told).
Could we perhaps agree on the phrasing "some people might find a somewhat sugarcoated orbituary more consolating whereas others prefer an honest though unflattering one" ?
Could we perhaps agree on the phrasing "some people might find a somewhat sugarcoated orbituary more consolating whereas others prefer an honest though unflattering one" ?
One of the hardest funerals I ever had to conduct was that of a woman no-one had a good word to say about. Her family were clearly upset at her death, grieving and tearful at their loss. But when asked who she was and what they would miss about her, they couldn't actually find anything pleasant to tell me at all.
Trying to write a 'eulogy' was a real nightmare, but the family needed something that would acknowledge their loss without sugar coating her personality. I recall saying something about her being honest to a fault, speaking her mind and telling people her opinion even when she risked becoming unpopular (for which read she had an acid tongue).
There's something very human in the concept of 'don't speak ill of the dead' - both in a human need to remember the good about people and in some sort of superstitious fear of angering the dead by bad-mouthing them.
Trying to write a 'eulogy' was a real nightmare, but the family needed something that would acknowledge their loss without sugar coating her personality. I recall saying something about her being honest to a fault, speaking her mind and telling people her opinion even when she risked becoming unpopular (for which read she had an acid tongue).
There's something very human in the concept of 'don't speak ill of the dead' - both in a human need to remember the good about people and in some sort of superstitious fear of angering the dead by bad-mouthing them.
It seems that most people realize that death wipes the slate clean in a sense. Even a horrible person no longer can harm anyone, and your words will not improve or worsen their condition.
There is some danger of course in taking this idea too far. Some individuals are not worthy of even the faintest praise after death, but the vast majority of people have something that can be said about them in a positive or at least neutral way.
I totally agree. Got to admit though that in one case I went to a funeral only to be certain the person was really dead (as did propably 95% of those attending the funeral). That was an old woman who was utterly mean, terrorized the whole neighbourhood and bullied her sweet and gentle elder sister so badly that the poor old lady often was in tears. With the death of her younger sister she had at least a few nice and peaceful years left to enjoy.
In that particular case the priest had the very same prob as you, Kathy. So he didn't write an eulogy at all but just gave the naked dates of her birth, origin, job life and death and added a few prayers.
btw, - very off-topic - in my area it's custom that at a funeral the priest adds a prayer for the next person to die. Is that done in other countries as well? I'm not a religious person but I think it's a nice gesture, though a tiny bit creepy.
In that particular case the priest had the very same prob as you, Kathy. So he didn't write an eulogy at all but just gave the naked dates of her birth, origin, job life and death and added a few prayers.
btw, - very off-topic - in my area it's custom that at a funeral the priest adds a prayer for the next person to die. Is that done in other countries as well? I'm not a religious person but I think it's a nice gesture, though a tiny bit creepy.
Have any of you read the guest book? its worth the read too, 
don't worry, the NSA keeps detailed files on us all. As do facebook and google 
You don't speak ill of the dead because they can't possibly defend themselves against it. That's how I look at it, anyway.
yes, but that's meant only as a defense against people speaking wrong(ful)ly ill about the dead. What if a person really was such an asshole that you can only say negative things about them? What would you for example say in an orbituary for Jack the Ripper, Emperor Nero or Theodore Bundy?
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People like that would not have obituaries in the first place.
My parents both had non-religious funerals which mainly consisted of their three daughters standing up and telling stories especially about our relationship with the parent concerned. With Dad it was easy, he was a kind and gentle man, usually quiet but a great storyteller. His brother and a couple of his grandchildren also spoke at the funeral. With Mum it was much harder to come up with anything positive to say because my Mum was a bit of a battleaxe. In the end all I could really talk about was how Mum left all of her four children with a love of books and how I had devoured Mum's books as a teenager (including the works of Agatha Christie, Ngaio Marsh, and Jean Plaidy). She also bought ample amounts of books for us as children. My mother also was quite proud that I would lay on the loungeroom foor reading the Encyclopedia Britanica as a child.
The worst funeral I ever went to was one where the person had been so tormented by mental health issues for the last umpteen years that no one was apparently at all sad that she was gone. The only people crying were from her most recent job and they had only known her a couple months. Everyone else including family, ex-bf, friends of years were just.. okay, finally, maybe she has some peace. The celebrant basically listed off a series of things she had done and that was it, it was over.
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