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X2. I lost count of all the stuff I liked.
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X2. I lost count of all the stuff I liked.
The acknowledgement of Spock as an object of desire, as first established in "This Side of Paradise" and revisited throughout TOS (especially in the third season: "The Enterprise Incident", "Is There In Truth No Beauty?", "The Cloud Minders", "All Our Yesterdays"...).
It was an important part of Spock's mystique, but, curiously, it was utterly missing from the very ascetic depiction of Spock of the TOS movies.
It was an important part of Spock's mystique, but, curiously, it was utterly missing from the very ascetic depiction of Spock of the TOS movies.
i wanted to hear that one too.
But i did love ALL the homages ...and there were so many of them!
THANK YOU JJ, Kurtzman and Orci!
Well there also weren't many opportunities in the TOS movies for girls to flirt with Spock. He was always busy either on the Enterprise, or dying, or running around SF, or camping...
I agree though it would have been cool to see a little of the old Spock charm again. On TOS Nimoy would always have that bemused look, or let a bit of a smile into his expression when interacting with Kirk or someone. But in the movies there was almost no trace of warmth or emotion whatsoever.
It's kinda cool seeing Quinto bring some of that back.
I'm positive we'll get a "he's dead Jim" in the next movie :P
Wrong thread! Sorry.
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One thing I liked was how ZQ did a good job at mimicking the awkward, sharp movements in his body language that was so much a part of LN's interpretation. The slender, lanky figure and sharp, not-entirely-graceful elbows and limbs is part of that. ZQ generally has that physique already (see talk-show guest clips of his awkward dancing--it's almost as stiff as Spock's in Plato's Stepchildren), so it's another reason he was brilliant casting. ZQ and LN did a lot of very similar physical mannerisms.
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One thing I liked was how ZQ did a good job at mimicking the awkward, sharp movements in his body language that was so much a part of LN's interpretation. The slender, lanky figure and sharp, not-entirely-graceful elbows and limbs is part of that. ZQ generally has that physique already (see talk-show guest clips of his awkward dancing--it's almost as stiff as Spock's in Plato's Stepchildren), so it's another reason he was brilliant casting. ZQ and LN did a lot of very similar physical mannerisms.
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Zach is very good at physical movement. And I think he did a good job of capturing Spock/Nimoy's physicality. They share a similar tall and lanky build, which helps, but they don't really move alike. But without actually impersonating Nimoy, Zach captured LN's stance and outline of Spock, something I noticed right away. And I also realize that Nimoy used some specific physical acting to establish a different body language for Vulcans in general and Spock in particular in TOS.
ZQ ain't funky but he's rather graceful and fluid in real life - for a hint of the real ZQ watch how he slides into the science station and turns around at the very end of XI. I know he works out, does yoga and meditates, and I couldn't help notice how he sits in may interviews - lotus position almost - so his frame is erally quite flexible, especially for a man, not to mention a man of his height.
As for flexibility, look no further than the way Sylar gets off the ground in It's Coming (he goes from laying on the ground to standing up all with completely straight legs). The strength that he must have is astonishing. He can also do handstands. He seems to have a lot of strength in his upper body, in particular.
But graceful? Every dancing picture I've seen of him looks utterly embarrassing. Very strong, but he looks like an absolute dork in every clip or picture I've seen taken at parties or talk-show interviews where he does some sort of dance (see his Ellen appearance--and it wasn't just for Ellen because there's a set of pictures at some Heroes-related party where he's doing the same thing). He's got the elbows/arms in and is doing a shy stick figure dance (or was just feeling very, very tall and long-armed). When it comes to strength, he's graceful (he does flamboyant and arch well), but he also has the skinny, awkward limbs thing--and outside of Spock. Well, the fact that he was dancing with people who were about a foot shorter (up to his shoulder) also added to the hilarity of the pictures. He definitely looked awkward.
There's also the slender shoulders that give that same outline effect. Especially in the scene where Spock does the shell-shocked lanky walk out of the turbolift. In the few emotional scenes that LN got, he had similar mannerisms.
But yeah, while ZQ can be graceful, he does do a pretty good job mimicking some of the mannerisms. The mannerisms were the one thing he did take from LN in order to do Spock, though he didn't copy the voice or way of expression. ZQ definitely made a choice to use his eyes to express himself; something LN didn't really do (he was much drier and used his eyebrow). ZQ played it more icy, while LN played it dry. But the physically unsure, jerky movements was one thing that struck me as very similar. And I have seen ZQ with some of that physicality outside of Spock (Sylar is more graceful and masculine than the real ZQ).
But graceful? Every dancing picture I've seen of him looks utterly embarrassing. Very strong, but he looks like an absolute dork in every clip or picture I've seen taken at parties or talk-show interviews where he does some sort of dance (see his Ellen appearance--and it wasn't just for Ellen because there's a set of pictures at some Heroes-related party where he's doing the same thing). He's got the elbows/arms in and is doing a shy stick figure dance (or was just feeling very, very tall and long-armed). When it comes to strength, he's graceful (he does flamboyant and arch well), but he also has the skinny, awkward limbs thing--and outside of Spock. Well, the fact that he was dancing with people who were about a foot shorter (up to his shoulder) also added to the hilarity of the pictures. He definitely looked awkward.
There's also the slender shoulders that give that same outline effect. Especially in the scene where Spock does the shell-shocked lanky walk out of the turbolift. In the few emotional scenes that LN got, he had similar mannerisms.
But yeah, while ZQ can be graceful, he does do a pretty good job mimicking some of the mannerisms. The mannerisms were the one thing he did take from LN in order to do Spock, though he didn't copy the voice or way of expression. ZQ definitely made a choice to use his eyes to express himself; something LN didn't really do (he was much drier and used his eyebrow). ZQ played it more icy, while LN played it dry. But the physically unsure, jerky movements was one thing that struck me as very similar. And I have seen ZQ with some of that physicality outside of Spock (Sylar is more graceful and masculine than the real ZQ).
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Here's something -- not sure if it's an homage. In the "escaping from the black hole" sequence, before the jettisoned warp cores explode and cast Enterprise free, there's a lot of structural strain on the ship, and we even see the viewscreen cracking and spidering. It occurred to me that this could be a wink at Sulu's "Fly her apart, then!" from The Undiscovered Country (only Sulu's the one doing the flying here.)
Not sure if that's really an homage, but it was definitely a cool moment. It was nice to see some real bridge damage besides just the usual sparks flying everywhere.
That's one of my favourite scenes from Undiscovered Country, so I hope it was deliberate
Wow...I'm surprised that no one has brought up "I'm aware of my duties Mister" line that Spock says to either Kirk or McCoy on the bridge is from Saavik of course. I didn't even think about the apple being from the scene in Star Trek II either, damn. At first I thought the ring on McCoy's finger was a homage to DeForest Kelly who had a ring on his finger throughout his entire appearences as McCoy but then noticed the other characters wore rings too. The Kelvin officeers uniforms reminded me of Enterprise.
Scotty being banned for beaming Admiral Archer's dog...I know it was lame but I liked it.
The end credits switching back and forth between TOS and TNG themes.
Old Spock avoiding admiting that he lied to Kirk as he did to Valeris in Star Trek VI. "I implied".
Scotty being banned for beaming Admiral Archer's dog...I know it was lame but I liked it.
The end credits switching back and forth between TOS and TNG themes.
Old Spock avoiding admiting that he lied to Kirk as he did to Valeris in Star Trek VI. "I implied".
Spock's mystique as an unattainable object of desire was there right from the earliest S1 TOS episodes, with Chapel expressing her unrequited love for him, and Uhura flirting with him and teasing him with a song about his attractiveness to women.
It's true that the movies, unfortunately, mostly neglected that aspect of Spock's character... Although, am I the only one who thought his relationship with Valeris was, well, um, somewhat ambiguous at least... what with their candle-hit dinner at his quarters, and unusual displays of Vulcan emotions from both of them after the revelation of her betrayal? (Spock's anger, "You will have to shoot me", "I don't want to" - she looked quite emotional in that scene) Yes, I know it doesn't have to mean a thing other than a close mentor/protege relationship, but didn't any of it at least make you go "hmmmm..." for a moment or two?
That's when they're arguing on the bridge, yes? Leave it to Jeri to be able to recite the movie line-by-line
