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Hmmmm, they WERE right.

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I'm an original TOS fan (probably one of the youngest original-airing watchers, although I wasn't old enough to remember much before season 3, except for "Nancy" ...as in "no salt for you Nancy!").

I finally watched DS9 which I had disregarded out of hand after seeing the pilot episode, being turned off by the religious aspects and thinking that no way can it be Trek if the stories have to come to them.

Well, I've now seen them all after running into a great deal on used DVD's... wow. They were right. It is the best addon-Trek!

First time I felt I knew the characters since TOS!

But the real point of this post is... where can I score some Ketracel-White? *grin*
 
http://starbase118.net/wiki/index.php/Medicines_DatabaseKetracel-White

Used to control Jem'Hadar. The isogenic enzyme that the Jem'Hadar are "addicted" to. The supplies are controlled by the Vorta, under the Founders. The Jem'Hadar call it "white" for short. [Hippocratic Oath] One of its active ingredients is uridium bycantizine.

Note: in the movie Star Trek: Insurrection, it was mentioned that Ketracel-white had been manufactured by the Son'a. Ketracel-white was also erroneously referred to as a narcotic. A specific genetic defect must be in place before the need for Ketracel White arises.

Just try a good multivitamin. :bolian:
 
First, welcome to the DS9 Forum! :)

Second, glad you got such a great deal on the dvds!

And third, welcome to the ranks of Niner-hood.

It's a nice place to be! :D
 
It's funny that some people were turned off by the religious aspects of DS9. Even as an atheist myself, I would hate to see a Star Trek series where Starfleet captains would move from planet to planet telling the natives that they were stupid for being religious. Smug cultural galactic imperialism of the worst kind and for what? Simply because they have (ironically) deified Gene Roddenberry. In any case, the Bajorans were entirely justified in believing in their Gods. The Celestial Temple existed. The Prophets existed. The Orbs had extraordinary powers. The Emissary existed. The Pah-wraiths existed. Prophecies came true and there many occurances as clear as day which indicated enormous powers at work beyond all reasonable understanding. Heck if I had been on DS9 even I would have converted to the Bajoran faith.

The idea of hating DS9 simply because it was set on a space station is also puzzling to me. I always hated the fact that 90% of the aliens seen on TNG were "one-episode wonders" who lacked depth. DS9 was the show that stayed and developed a race in huge amount of detail. Besides, the "anti-space station" faction I think take the name "Star Trek" way too literally. It does NOT refer to hopping from planet to planet each week. The "trek" in the title is a journey into the human condition. It's essentially what Q told Picard in "All Good Things". Star Trek isn't about lumps of rock in space being surveyed. It's about storytelling.
 
HRHTheKING said:
It's funny that some people were turned off by the religious aspects of
DS9. Even as an atheist myself, I would hate to see a Star Trek series
where Starfleet captains would move from planet to planet telling the
natives that they were stupid for being religious. Smug cultural
galactic imperialism of the worst kind and for what? Simply because they
have (ironically) deified Gene Roddenberry.

Kirk would've/did. I must mention, that at the time of original airing, I was still looking for a new TOS. Only on watching the entire series did I see that the "religion" was indeed Sci-Fi.

HRHTheKING said:
In any case, the Bajorans were entirely justified in believing in their Gods. The Celestial Temple existed. The Prophets existed. The Orbs had extraordinary powers. The Emissary existed. The Pah-wraiths existed. Prophecies came true and there many occurances as clear as day which indicated enormous powers at work beyond all reasonable understanding. Heck if I had been on DS9 even I would have converted to the Bajoran faith.

Conclusions that were not readily apparent from the first one or two episodes. Yes, finally taking the time to give the series a decent shot, was a gratifying thing to do. Even if it disproved every single preconceived DS9 theory that stopped me in the past.

HRHTheKING said:
The idea of hating DS9 simply because it was set on a space station is also puzzling to me.

I don't know about "hate." But what is so puzzling? I'm sure you've seen intolerance somewhere along the line, both justified and unjustified, that you might've understood intellectually/psychologically, even while being vehemently opposed to it. TOS became popular on a format and premise of going boldly. Is it really any wonder that sitting boldy could turn people off before giving it a real chance? And if you really want to push it, the appearance of "runabouts" and the Defiant lends credence to the theory that going boldy is indeed at least partially needed in Star Trek.

HRHTheKING said:
I always hated the fact that 90% of the aliens seen on TNG were "one-episode wonders" who lacked depth. DS9 was the show that stayed and developed a race in huge amount of detail.

I can't speak much to TNG. I stopped watching it after giving it a year and a half (which is part of the reason I gave up very early on DS9). However, I did run into my second fantastic DVD deal after starting DS9. (So I watched all 7 seasons of it in between seasons 3 & 4 of DS9!) (I still didn't particularly enjoy the first couple TNG seasons and that's still the ugliest starship of all time in my book, but even the first seasons were better than when I was still looking/hoping for a new TOS) (tolerance sometimes takes years to learn)

HRHTheKING said:
Besides, the "anti-space station" faction I think take the name "Star Trek" way too literally. It does NOT refer to hopping from planet to planet each week.

Originally, it was meant to mean just that.

HRHTheKING said:
The "trek" in the title is a journey into the human condition. It's essentially what Q told Picard in "All Good Things".

That was an evolution. I believed it occurred when Trekkies decided they were "Trekkers." (I always thought that was a silly attempt at respect). At the time all things Picard and Q were running around, some of us were not watching and still pining for the good old days of hopping from planet to planet each week.

HRHTheKING said:
Star Trek isn't about lumps of rock in space being surveyed. It's about storytelling.

It also about storytelling while being threatened by lumps of rock in space and storytelling while shooting lumps of rock in space. Not every episode is about morality. Some are just plain entertainment. (admittedly in every series, some are NONE of the above! ...most everyone agrees on which episodes I'd think. *grin*)
 
Glad you enjoyed DS9 EEE!

There seem to be a lot of people who can't stand DS9 yet have only seen a handful of episodes. I'm happy to hear that a successful conversion can occur if someone has an open mind.
 
Well, it did take a long time (and finally letting go of ever getting another TOS).

My family is trying to catch up, and if they ever finish TNG (they're still mid-season 2), I believe I'll be watching DS9 for the second time with them(and have someone "live" to discuss it with! *grin*). (Do you know how hard it was to enjoy any part of it and not be able to talk to anyone about it for fear or spoiling it for them?!?!?!)
 
While I'm blathering, did I mention Dukat was the best Trek Bad Guy since Kang for me? Major kudos to the casting director. Alaimo... perfect. (and major kudos to Michael Ansara, who's portrayal of a one dimensional bad guy has stuck with me for around 40 years!)
 
A TOS fan, huh? Was "Trials & Tribble-ations" delicious or what?

Nice to see another DS9 fan born. Maybe eventually the fanbase fractured by prejudice will heal itself. We've got far more common ground than not, in my experience. I know I wasn't keen on the idea of this anti-Trek series but it quickly became my favorite.

Voyager, on the other hand, should have been TNG 2.0, but that's a discussion for another forum.
 
^ Anti-Trek? I am a huge DS9 fan, and remember the early talk of it being 'darker' but to tell you the truth, that was never the reality. Sure the station was in pieces when the show started, and not everyone liked each other at the very beginning, but the stories *always* held up the Trek ideals (save for In the Pale Moonlight) but that speaks to War and what it can make even a good man do, a topic I'm sure TOS writers would touch.

P.S. This is coming from someone who owns Avery Brook's uniform from Seasons 1-5 (courtesy of Christies Auction :)
 
EEE said:
Well, it did take a long time (and finally letting go of ever getting another TOS).

My family is trying to catch up, and if they ever finish TNG (they're still mid-season 2), I believe I'll be watching DS9 for the second time with them(and have someone "live" to discuss it with! *grin*). (Do you know how hard it was to enjoy any part of it and not be able to talk to anyone about it for fear or spoiling it for them?!?!?!)

There is always this board. We sometimes do commentary threads as we rewatch episodes - but this hasn't been done in a while :(
 
Yay! Another DS9 convert! :) DS9 is really a great series and a wonderful addition to the Star Trek universe. It makes me a little sad that it never achieved the popularity and accolades that the TOS and TNG did. I think if more people were to give the series a chance, they'd likely be drawn into it too.

I'm a big fan of TOS as well. Wasn't Trials and Tribblations a great episode? I remember watching it when it first aired and I don't think I could stop squealing once the original Enterprise appeared on the view screen.
 
Tralah said:
It makes me a little sad that it never achieved the popularity and accolades that the TOS and TNG did.

Prophetically enough (no pun intended), I watched the DVD "goodbye" extras at the end of season 7, and the producers predicted that it would gain popularity and/or appreciation in laters years. Worked on me. *grin*


Tralah said:I think if more people were to give the series a chance, they'd likely be drawn into it too.

Therein lay the problem. As I said above, it took me a long time to get around to it. And as long to clear my head of personal wishes and preconceptions.

And what really started it for me was a birthday gift of season 1 of Voyager. It took me over half a year to try out. I realized then, that DVD is the ONLY way to watch a series for the first time! (I'm not a Nielson(sp?) family *grin*) Next thing I knew, I bought that whole series (at close to RETAIL! *ack*). ...Then I ran into a great deal on used DS9 series... etc, etc.)

nx1701g said:
EEE said:
(Do you know how hard it was to enjoy any part of it and not be able to talk to anyone about it for fear or spoiling it for them?!?!?!)

There is always this board. We sometimes do commentary threads as we rewatch episodes - but this hasn't been done in a while :(

Which is why I signed up to a Trek BBS for the very first time in 40 years. (oh sure, I've slowly hooked my wife, but it took 20 years and she still has trouble remembering what the mirror universe is/was. *grin*) So pardon me for blathering on a bit.
 
Hard to pin down. I slam dunked the entire series very fast. So just some off the cuff generalities....

I think the series was just about the right mix of long story arc(s) and episodic stories.

A mix of character shows that worked for me. Everytime I started to wonder what happened to character X, character X would seemingly get an episode.

All the characters were multi-dimensional.

For the first time since TOS, I felt I knew the characters.

For the first time since TOS, I actually like all the characters.

The most fascinating bad guys since Kang & Khan. Louise Fletcher's portrayal was soooo good, it rekindled a fear of being lobotomized everytime she was on screen. Mark Alaimo's delivery made Dukat fascinating.

I think the best line out of the entire series was from the holosuite baseball game against the anti-vulcan. After the runner missed home and hadn't been tagged, Worf's response to Nog's "what do I do?" question was priceless... "Find him and KILL him!" Second best line was O'Brien's drunk ("from the heart'ish") proclaimation that he really didn't hate Julian anymore.

Oh sure, I could also nit pick the series a bit. But in reality that's a positive because none of the nits were show stoppers or overly distracting for me.
 
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