History of the USS Yamato NCC-1305-E

[Crewman47]

As we all know the first time we saw the USS Yamato it had the registry of 1305-E implying that it would be the 6th ship to bear the name USS Yamato NCC-1305 but then this was retconned later on in the series to NCC-71807. But what if the writers had kept the 1305-E registry and had made it canon, what do you think it's history would've been? I mean there would've been 5 other ships before it, and what do you think there class ships would've been, the first one might've been a Miranda or Oberth based on it's registry or an older class ship to the Constitution, for all we know it could've been just as famous as the Enterprise herself.

So what do you think?

 

[USS Excelsior]

Yea I wonder why both DS9 Defiant ships didn't have NCC-1764 as their registries.

 

[Mysterion]

IMO, the only time letter suffixes should be used on registires is for ships named Enteprrise. Otherwise, it ceases to be a special honor.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Unless you're Peter David. :P

Mark

 

[David cgc]

Or the producers of DS9. Stupid stock footage, keeping us from seeing the Defiant-A.

 

[Nebusj]

Mysterion said:
IMO, the only time letter suffixes should be used on registires is for ships named Enteprrise. Otherwise, it ceases to be a special honor.

I think it should be used for registries for all sorts of ships which have provided singular services over remarkable histories. That way we might get the idea that some starship other than the Enterprise was worth anything.

 

[jimbo1973]

If you look at naval history, there have been several ships of the same name, Lexington, Yorktown, an o yes Enterprise. I always thought cetainly there were other ships that had distiguished history. The Enterprise, while her accomplishments cannnot be taken lightly, is one ship anong several hundred to a thousand , or more, in Starfleet.

 

[nx1701g]

David cgc said:
Or the producers of DS9. Stupid stock footage, keeping us from seeing the Defiant-A.

The intention was that it was the Defiant-A, sadly in the final episode there are shots of the Defiant with all those registrys but that one. I saw the registry of the Defiant 74205, the Valiant's 74210, and the Dedication Plaque seems to say 75633...

 

[sbk1234]

Nebusj said:

Mysterion said:
IMO, the only time letter suffixes should be used on registires is for ships named Enteprrise. Otherwise, it ceases to be a special honor.

I think it should be used for registries for all sorts of ships which have provided singular services over remarkable histories. That way we might get the idea that some starship other than the Enterprise was worth anything.

I agree. No matter how spectacular a ship or crew is, I don't see any organization altering naming/numbering policy just to "honor" them. That's when they start naming ships after people. It's like that ridiculous idea that they changed the Starfleet insignia to honor the Eneterpise crew.

 

[Praetor]

I don't mind other ships using the letter suffix, personally, as long as it's only hero ships- Defiant, Excelsior, Voyager, etc. I understand the idea behind limiting it, though. I also don't mind Starfleet adopting the arrowhead symbol of the Enterprise, but I presume that during the time when ships each had individual badge designs, Starfleet had its own, similar insignia design to not make it seem completely unbelievable.

 

[nx1701g]

^ There has been history of groups renaming ships though because of historical significance. In the in series explanation though the decision to give the letter designations was done (in the Trek world) because the crew of the Enterprise saved Earth from destruction by going back in time (in the real world) it was so the ship would be different from the other hero vessels.

Personally I wouldn't have minded seeing a couple additional letter registries.

 

[Timo]

An alternate and just as noncanonical explanation for "NCC-1701-A" would stem from the fact that Kirk wasn't exactly Starfleet's favorite officer at the time the public opinion necessitated "rewarding" him somehow. Starfleet no doubt struggled to come up with a punishment that would look good in the public eye, finally settling on an obsolete starship with which Kirk could do the least harm. But they certainly wouldn't go out of their way to rename that bucket of bolts. Well, they had to, to appease the public. But they most definitely wouldn't re-register it! Well, they were forced to. But most assuredly they wouldn't throw their whole registry scheme into confusion by reusing 1701. There, finally, they were allowed to do their thing...

If the first Yamato indeed were NCC-1305, then she'd probably be an immediate pre-TOS vessel of some sort. Perhaps a hero of the original Klingon campaign, aka Four Years War, bravely ramming and boarding the flagship Komerex Empire of the rogue Klingon Admiral Kesslok in the Battle of Ganymede, thus defeating his audacious attack against the Sol system?

I also don't mind Starfleet adopting the arrowhead symbol of the Enterprise, but I presume that during the time when ships each had individual badge designs, Starfleet had its own, similar insignia design to not make it seem completely unbelievable.

We could just as well say that the ship insignia of the TOS era were "Starfleet's own": each would represent a Fleet within Starfleet, and Kirk's, Decker's, Tracey's and Wesley's Constitution vessels just happened to belong to different fleets (there perhaps being just one such supership per Fleet). Starfleet would later on adopt the symbol of the 1st Fleet. Or the arrowhead of the 1st Fleet may always have been but an unimaginative copy of the general Starfleet symbol, and Starfleet simply dropped all Fleet symbology either by the time of TMP, or then soon after that movie. (It's not until ST4 that we can argue that we're seeing starships and their symbols from other Fleets beside Kirk's, really.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[FalTorPan]

I prefer the NCC-1305-E registry for the Yamato. It not only establishes that other ships than Enterprises have notable legacies, but also was referenced in dialogue, rather than displayed on a computer screen, which makes it more "cannnnnon" to me.

Assuming for the moment that there had been six Yamatos in the Federation starfleet by 2365, then given the founding of the Federation in 2161, each Yamato can have been in service for an average of up to 34 years. On the other hand, if the first Yamato were launched at the time of the NCC-1701 in 2245, then each Yamato can have been in service for an average of up to 20 years.

Considering that only one Enterprise -- NCC-1701 -- is known to have been in service for at least 20 years, the fact that multiple Yamatos might have lasted at least that long may be enough of a legacy!

 

[iguana_tonante]

Timo said:
If the first Yamato indeed were NCC-1305, then she'd probably be an immediate pre-TOS vessel of some sort. Perhaps a hero of the original Klingon campaign, aka Four Years War, bravely ramming and boarding the flagship Komerex Empire of the rogue Klingon Admiral Kesslok in the Battle of Ganymede, thus defeating his audacious attack against the Sol system?

That would be a total kick-ass series! Gotta love Captain Juuzoo Okita.

 

[FalTorPan]

I forgot to add...

You say "yah-MAY-toh?" I say "yah-MAH-toh."