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Higgs Boson found

^All that is valid, but it was still invalid for you to claim earlier that anyone was saying "shut up, it's science" or that they endorsed giving billions of dollars to a crackpot. You're so quick to tell others what they should've said in the first place -- you should've applied that same criticism to yourself before you made those unfair posts, and instead just said what you're saying now.
 
This whole digression started when someone asked what kind of economic benefits we might get from the discovery of the Higgs, and got a response I'll paraphrase as "Shut up. It's science!"
That's not what I said, but given you just admitted you posted in this thread just to stir the pot and amuse yourself, you already know that. :p
 
Use the Higgs Boson for energy to matter conversion to reduce, I don't know, copper prices?

Someone had to call him on it. And someone had to call the caller on it. We but play roles that the Threads give us. Hallowed be the Great Thread Master and his mods.
 
Typically, the same people who ask what economic benefit accrues from the discovery of something like the Higgs Boson don't ask similar questions concerning sports, movies, television, music, junk food, pornography, etc.

If it's not clear to you what the benefits of particle physics, quantum theory, or astrophysics are, then guess what? Apply to them the same standards you do to every form of trivial entertainment. If nothing else, they make some people (especially smart people) happy.

In reality, they lay the foundations for future technology, as indeed quantum physics has already.
 
Well, you do have a choice whether or not to buy the latest album from Peter Higgs and the Bosons, but everybody gets to question government spending (which happens everytime a sports team extorts a city for a new arena paid for by the city). Lots of people like to blow stuff up, but that doesn't mean we can't question military spending.
 
I was writing on the TBBS,
just me and all the rest,
we heard the news from CERN that day:
"The Higgs found in a test!"
gturner had an idea
to neutralize the thing.
He tried to make us help him
but we all would rather sing:

Bounce a graviton particle beam
...
Gaith likes this. :bolian:
 
Not that the tea baggers actually cares about basic economics but even wasteful government spending would end the Lesser Depression.

First of all I am not a tea bagger. From what I know about them, they strike me as social conservatives. I am a social liberal but I am also a fiscal conservative. I am not a fan of Keynesian economics but rather a fan of Friedrich Hayek of the Austrian school of economics and he was a classical liberial.
 
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Well, you do have a choice whether or not to buy the latest album from Peter Higgs and the Bosons, but everybody gets to question government spending (which happens everytime a sports team extorts a city for a new arena paid for by the city). Lots of people like to blow stuff up, but that doesn't mean we can't question military spending.

Nonsense. Government spending goes to stadium development, media intellectual property right protection domestically and internationally, licensing of public airwaves, subsidies to Hollywood movie shoots, and on and on.

Face it - whether as private citizens or through public agencies, there's a mammoth amount of spending that can be addressed long before we question fundamental scientific research like that which has led to the discovery of the Higgs Boson.
 
And we question and debate every dollar of that spending (especially the stadium development because it's pretty easy to see that as the city giving money to the local billionaire playboy with an ego problem). Protection of intellectual media falls under the government's protection of private poperty rights, which is one of the primary reasons people form a government voluntarily (as opposed to waking up and finding there's a new ruling class of warrior kings demanding taxes, replacing the deposed warrior kings). The government makes money on the airwave licensing, and subsidizing movie shoots probably will certainly never appear in a campaign ad by either party (George Lucas needs your tax dollars because he's not rich enough!)

So shouldn't we question whether the discovery of a fundamental building block of the universe and verifying a major element of the Standard Model of physics is worth $9 billion dollars (the total cost of the supercollider)?

That's an amount slightly more than we spent on the innovative Commanche stealth helicoper, both prototypes of which were sweet, if a bit buggy.

That's a billion more (adjusting for inflation) than we spent on the Navy A-12 Stealth Dorito, which added to advances in accounting, litigation, and plywood mockups. It also gave us a non-afterburning variant of the GE F404 engine, so if we wanted to bulid a subsonic F-18, we could!

CERN cost almost as much as we spent on the Crusader self-propelled artillery system (well, $2 billion short), the prototype of which decorates a park in Fort Sill. Don't you think we should spend more on parks? Besides, think of the commercial spinoffs it might generate. An automated way to use millions of dollars in robotics to shove a cartridge into a breech!

For the amount spent on CERN, we could probably add another module to the ISS to do MRI scans of astronauts as they puke. I, for one, would love to see a real-time MRI of a Snickers bar floating in an astronaut's stomach. That would be real research.

Instead we blow money on labs like CERN, whose employees fiddle around and invent things like posting picture on the Internet. How the frack can anyone in society make money posting pictures of girls on the Internet? It's not like everybody can't just wander down to the mall and see girls in real life. It's not like the pictures could be viewed fast enough to appear to move (Although it woul be cool if someone could develop a way to view streaming pictures with a computer).

I posted to original CERN Internet photo above, and I don't see why anyone would view it. Posting Photos is Not. Going. To. Catch. On.

The public has wasted several billion on CERN and their crazy ideas about of computer networking (World Wide Web? Bwuhahaha! Idiocy), but mark my words, the private sector will never recoup a dime.
 
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