Hey, um, anybody see Tuvok? *spoilers for Trek XI*

[shatastrophic]

There is no Tuvok now.

 

[Anwar]

I tend to follow the Farscape theory of messing with history when it comes to NuTrek: If you can get things close to the way they were before the alteration, the time-space continuum will fix itself and get things as close to the way it used to be as possible.

Billions of dead Vulcans rules out that possibility methinks.

Did the Vulcans do anything that major in TNG+ aside from Spock and Sarek? Maybe it's just a massive case of that one bum in "City on the edge of forever" where the death was inconsequential to major history.

 

[Broccoli]

There is no Tuvok now.

"There is no Tuvok...only Zuul."

Did the Vulcans do anything that major in TNG+ aside from Spock and Sarek? Maybe it's just a massive case of that one bum in "City on the edge of forever" where the death was inconsequential to major history.

Don't forget Capt. T'Baseball! Without the DS9 crew taking time out to settle Sisko's years old rivalry, the Dominion War might not have been won!!

 

[USS Kongo]

Don't forget Dr. Selar, a Vulcan medical doctor who worked aboard the Enterprise-D. Wonder if she'll still be around, as well.

Sean

 

[kythe]

I tend to follow the Farscape theory of messing with history when it comes to NuTrek: If you can get things close to the way they were before the alteration, the time-space continuum will fix itself and get things as close to the way it used to be as possible.

Billions of dead Vulcans rules out that possibility methinks.

Did the Vulcans do anything that major in TNG+ aside from Spock and Sarek? Maybe it's just a massive case of that one bum in "City on the edge of forever" where the death was inconsequential to major history.

That's a pretty powerful statement, when you think about it. 6 billion people on a planet die and the idea is proposed that this is inconsequential to history.

Who is to say what really matters in the history of the universe? In various Star Trek episodes, we see evidence of ancient ruins of civilizations long since past. None of this appears on the surface to affect the current civilizations of the galaxy, yet who are we to determine whether their existence was significant to anyone else?

 

[Anwar]

Heh, I sound like Q in that last post eh? I still stand by it though.

 

[NIUPonyBoy]

According to MemoryAlpha, Tuvok was born on Vulcanis Lunar Colony in 2264.

So he probably would still be around.

But where was his daddy?

 

[Gotham Central]

I was under the impression the specific use of the phrase 'Lunar' is meant to distinguish Earth's Moon from others. Like how the phrase 'Terra' is meant to distinguish our planet from other 'earths'

Someone is following what I'm saying. It reminds me of the DS9 episode 'By Inferno's Light' where Dax questions the wisdom of going to warp while in a 'solar system'. There's only one Solar System and it's ours... Sol distinctly refers to our sun only. The correct generic term would have been 'stellar system' or specifically the Bajoran System. So following this line of thinking, as far as I can figure is that there must be a colony called Vulcanis on our moon.

Actually our sun does not have a name. Its simply called Sun. Sol means sun. Our moon has no name. Luna literally means moon. Technically this planet does not have a name either, since Earth or Terra means ground. Thus you can have an Earthquake on any planet. It just means shaking ground. We've come to accept the word for ground as the name of the planet. However, Europeans never bothered to give the sun or the moon a proper name.

 

[14thDoctor]

I was under the impression the specific use of the phrase 'Lunar' is meant to distinguish Earth's Moon from others. Like how the phrase 'Terra' is meant to distinguish our planet from other 'earths'

Someone is following what I'm saying. It reminds me of the DS9 episode 'By Inferno's Light' where Dax questions the wisdom of going to warp while in a 'solar system'. There's only one Solar System and it's ours... Sol distinctly refers to our sun only. The correct generic term would have been 'stellar system' or specifically the Bajoran System. So following this line of thinking, as far as I can figure is that there must be a colony called Vulcanis on our moon.

Actually our sun does not have a name. Its simply called Sun. Sol means sun. Our moon has no name. Luna literally means moon. Technically this planet does not have a name either, since Earth or Terra means ground. Thus you can have an Earthquake on any planet. It just means shaking ground. We've come to accept the word for ground as the name of the planet. However, Europeans never bothered to give the sun or the moon a proper name.

In Trek, the "galactic" names for Earth things tend to be french. The Solar system is the Sol system, the moon is Luna, humans are called Terrans, and so on.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Isn't it based on Latin, actually?

 

[Skywalker]

Yeah, those are all originally derived from Latin.

"Terran" is way cooler than "human." We should all start using that instead.

 

[Starbreaker]

He's dead. All your Voyager DVDs disappeared. Go look.

 

[Finn]

We saw the TOS bridge n TNG so the Vulcan we saw is the real one.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Someone is following what I'm saying. It reminds me of the DS9 episode 'By Inferno's Light' where Dax questions the wisdom of going to warp while in a 'solar system'. There's only one Solar System and it's ours... Sol distinctly refers to our sun only. The correct generic term would have been 'stellar system' or specifically the Bajoran System. So following this line of thinking, as far as I can figure is that there must be a colony called Vulcanis on our moon.

other star systems are also called Solar Systems irregardless of the fact our Sun is called Sol.
I don't even believe Sol is an official name for our Sun anyway. The French word for Sun is Sol but other than that I don't believe the Sun has an official name.

Well the writers have said that the previous generation of characters will still end up being born so I think that Tuvok will be just fine.

and I find THAT really annoying. Clearly in reality the timelines have changed so much there's absolutely no chance the same sperm and egg are going to meet this time around.
I can agree that perhaps their parent still meet and have a child and name that child the same name, so there COULD be a Jean Luc Picard for example but it would not be the same one we came to know.

The writers have no reason to even say they are still born, it's not like they're going to be making a movie set in the future, they could have just either not answered or said no this time they are not born due to the changes. Knowing they are somehow able to still be born makes me feel that Trek hasn't changed that much at all. They've introduced a new timeline and then gone and said the same people still get born, it's completely ridiculous.