He's "not an avid Star Trek fan"?

[ST-One]

Cary L. Brown said:
Actually, I'd be really worried if everyone on the film was claiming to be an "uberfan." Especially considering what some of the self-proclaimed "uberfans" say on here.

I want the guy in charge to be a good STORYTELLER. I want him to be surrounded by people who are Trek fans, though.

QFT.

 

[Valar]

Cary L. Brown said:
Actually, I'd be really worried if everyone on the film was claiming to be an "uberfan." Especially considering what some of the self-proclaimed "uberfans" say on here.

I want the guy in charge to be a good STORYTELLER. I want him to be surrounded by people who are Trek fans, though.

I want him to be surrounded by people who are Trek fans, and homocidal maniacs when it comes to canon violation

 

[CaptainHawk1]

davejames said:
I'm not bothered by it. Nicholas Meyer wasn't a fan either.

Exactamundo! And JOHN LOGAN was a huge fan and look what he delivered: that flying turd of a film called Nemesis.

I think everyone should quit pissing and moaning until 12/25 because we all can have decades to complain after it's released. Save your strength.

-Shawn

 

[starburst]

I dont think it matters if they are...they have said they are fans just not avid ones,

And the little that has been released about the film it looks like they are changing things. Im waiting for Christmas to see a billion threads complaining about all the little and large canon violations which people will moan about...I wont even have had the chance to see the film.

 

[PowderedToastMan]

the star trek core team is 5 guys and you can rank them in their fandom thusly

NONFAN
Bryan Burk - exec producer


JJ Abrams - producer/director
Alex Kurtzman - co-writer/exec producer

Damon Lindelof - producer
Roberto Orci - co-writer/exec producer
UBERNERDFAN

Burk is really the only one that wasnt a fan, although he has come along. Abrams and Kurtzman are fans, but not fanatics. Lindelof and Orci are card carrying Trekkies with the toys, books and trivia knowledge to prove it. Together it is a well balanced team.

 

[Roshi]

Why should I care whether someone is or is not an avid fan. So far I have immensely enjoyed what this team has offered me. I've paid to be entertained by them, I'm paying to be entertained by them and I *think* will continue.
Trust.

 

[MisterPL]

Bryan Singer didn't pick up an X-Men comic until he started working on adapting it for the big screen. That turned into a commercially successful crowd-pleaser.

When this self-professed Superman fan went on bring the Man of Steel back to the silver screen, the results were nothing short of disappointing.

I have grave reservations about "fans" and their abilities to create something objectively. My concern is that Abrams and his team are too close to the source material and we'll end up getting TMP all over again; a film that brings the original characters back together again but in a way that leaves fans thinking "been there, done that."

That said, my HOPE is that Abrams will use this younger cast to give the film franchise something it very desperately needs; some serious action.

 

[gastrof]

Starship Polaris said:

"Team Trek" claimed to be working on "Enterprise" before it premiered, as well (though he/she has since reregistered) and that wasn't true either. Because an anonymous person registers on a Trek board and claims to be working on a movie doesn't mean a thing, and there's no evidence whatever to support the claim in this case.

No one associated with the film has said anything like "('It'll be PART of the existing continuity. It won't violate ANYTHING!!!')"

I still seem to recall much being said here about that. People were talking about it for a while, so it seemed it was so.

If TT is actually a fraud, then that answers the question I raised about 'Where do we stand now?'

I still find it interesting, tho', that the figures were wearing the original uniforms and the "toys" (communicators, etc) looked like the TOS versions.

Watch.

It'll turn out that's a fake story too. (And the mods have even believed it and got it up as a Trek Today article. )

 

[gastrof]

MisterPL said:
Bryan Singer didn't pick up an X-Men comic until he started working on adapting it for the big screen. That turned into a commercially successful crowd-pleaser.

When this self-professed Superman fan went on bring the Man of Steel back to the silver screen, the results were nothing short of disappointing...

Putting Superman in a blue and brown costume with a belt that points like an arrow down at his crotch was such a fanlike thing to do.

 

[gastrof]

Mutenroshi said:
Why should I care whether someone is or is not an avid fan. So far I have immensely enjoyed what this team has offered me. I've paid to be entertained by them, I'm paying to be entertained by them and I *think* will continue.
Trust.

Read the opening post again.

The question was "Where do we stand?" after seemingly contradictory information.

I'm going to see the film. I may even "accept" it and want to see more even if it DOES change the timeline.

Do hope it doesn't, tho'.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

gastrof said:

Starship Polaris said:

"Team Trek" claimed to be working on "Enterprise" before it premiered, as well (though he/she has since reregistered) and that wasn't true either. Because an anonymous person registers on a Trek board and claims to be working on a movie doesn't mean a thing, and there's no evidence whatever to support the claim in this case.

No one associated with the film has said anything like "('It'll be PART of the existing continuity. It won't violate ANYTHING!!!')"

I still seem to recall much being said here about that. People were talking about it for a while, so it seemed it was so.

If TT is actually a fraud, then that answers the question I raised about 'Where do we stand now?'

I still find it interesting, tho', that the figures were wearing the original uniforms and the "toys" (communicators, etc) looked like the TOS versions.

Watch.

It'll turn out that's a fake story too. (And the mods have even believed it and got it up as a Trek Today article. )

I think James Cawley has suggested something similar about the uniforms in an interview he did at www.trekmovie.com, and he's actually worn one and seen the shooting (as well as participating). So the claimed similarity of the movie outfits to the TOS ones is probably accurate.

 

[Noname Given]

Sharr Khan said:

Abrams liked the show, but not obsessively (or "avidly" so). Orci and Lindeloff are the most devoted fans among the original group of producers. That's been what everyone's been saying all along.

Exactly!

Is it me, or now is it becoming a requirement (from the diehard fans) that in order to make a Trek film you also must be a diehard or you shouldn't touch it?

There are clearly many people at work on this film who have more then a passing familiarity with Star Trek in general. Orci seems to be very close to the fanbase.

Sharr

And remember - John Logan was an 'avid' Star Trek fan of TNG - and look how Star Trek: Nemesis turned out.

But, a person DOSEN'T need to be an avid fan to do a good film; he just needs to understand the basis of the material and the underlying character motivations. And thes guys have NEVER stated this film would slavishly adhere to Star Trek continuity or canon - they stated it would be respectful of it.

Get a grip, folks.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Where are these action figures of which you speak, gastrof?

And there was nothing to indicate that TeamTrek was anything more or less than any other fan that signs up here.

Oh, and "QFT" is one of the most irritating fucking abbreviations ever to make its way to the internet. (Especially since it's almost always an "opinion" being quoted, not a "truth.")

 

[Sharr Khan]

Interesting reply, but it has nothing to do with what I actually said.

I never said you HAVE TO be a Trek fan to work on a film. I said there were claims made that the guys working on the film WERE longtime Trek fans, and that the movie was to take place in the existing continuity, not violating it.

To have that on record, and then have the "Captain" say that he's NOT an avid fan was a little surprising.

It was a general observation, that is all since this discussion arouse in the news section and those acting surprised were... writing stuff that had the implication that they had some how been tricked.

And holds as an observation, one need only look at the uproar made when Abrams mentioned at Comic Con that he was more a "Star Wars" fan. People were responding to what was in context a rather passive statement like they didn't think Abrams should be doing a Trek film because of it. Hey he was bing honest.

Sharr

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Samuel T. Cogley said:
Where are these action figures of which you speak, gastrof?

I think he may be referring to the ones mentioned in this thread.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

gastrof said:I never said you HAVE TO be a Trek fan to work on a film. I said there were claims made that the guys working on the film WERE longtime Trek fans, and that the movie was to take place in the existing continuity, not violating it.

To have that on record, and then have the "Captain" say that he's NOT an avid fan was a little surprising.

Well, the key word in there is "avid." Around here, the same term would be applied, with much the same meaning, in the same circumstances where "fanboy" might also be applied.

What Abrams was saying was NOT that he's not a fan of the show, just that he never wore rubber ears, doesn't know Janice Rand's cabin number by memory, doesn't hate Shatner for the SNL skit, HAS A LIFE, kisses girls, etc, etc...

Had he said "I'm not a fan" that might be worth the "surprised look" (and note that several of the actors in the movie HAVE said exactly that).

But, basically, he was saying "I like it but I don't treat it like a religion" when he said that.

Which, of course, is SACRILEGE and means we must all start preparing for JIHAAAAAAAAADDDD!!!

I'm much more bothered by the actors (albeit the BIT part ones) who, in interviews, have said that they'd never seen the original show until they started doing their research for this film.

Fortunately, both Quinto and Urban have demonstrated a LOT of love for the original characters... though I've noticed a distinct lack of anything like that coming from Pine. I know that Pegg loves the original show, too. But Cho, Saldana and Yelchin have basically said "I didn't know anything about it 'til I was cast" which definitely makes me HOPE that they're only trivial, background roles.

 

[Wowbagger]

My major request here is that gastrof stop triple-posting. I Am Not A Mod, but please try to either edit your posts to add to them, or see that you are responding to multiple posts in a single omnibus posts. It's just polite.

And JOHN LOGAN was a huge fan and look what he delivered: that flying turd of a film called Nemesis.

Logan was heavily rewritten by Brent and Berman, shortly before direction was handed to the hideously ignorant STUART BAIRD--who was really the one responsible for the disappointments in Nemesis. Why did he fail? Because he didn't know or respect the Star Trek property. It is true, as many people point out, that Nick Meyer knew nothing about Trek when he started, but people seem to forget that the first thing he did was sit down and watch all 79 episodes of the original series twice in a row.

A balance of fandom and non-fandom, objectivity and myopia, is necessary to produce a good franchise film. I think that's what we have in Team Abrams.

 

[I Grok Spock]

Samuel T. Cogley said:
Oh, and "QFT" is one of the most irritating fucking abbreviations ever to make its way to the internet. (Especially since it's almost always an "opinion" being quoted, not a "truth.")

QFT

 

[richpit]

captaincrap said:
chill out. The proof will be in the pudding
Out

Pudding? There's Pudding? Where??

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Samuel T. Cogley said:
Oh, and "QFT" is one of the most irritating fucking abbreviations ever to make its way to the internet. (Especially since it's almost always an "opinion" being quoted, not a "truth.")

Indeed, but it trails a little behind "FTW" (For The Win) and the revoltingly popular phrase "threw up in my mouth a little."