HEROES 3x05 "Angels and Monsters" Discuss and Grade

[Temis the Vorta]

That's kind of interesting when you consider that Peter's primary ability is empathic. It's how and why he's able to mimic people's powers.

The writers seem to have lost that notion about Peter. If he was empathic towards Sylar, he wouldn't have snapped his neck. Having the hunger himself, he should be the first person to realize that Sylar wasn't really guilty of his crimes, or at least not in the way Peter would have earlier assumed. I think Peter's empathy fell into a plot hole (maybe there's a Plot Hole man running around this story like Vortex guy who's to blame for it all ) but oddly Sylar's will probably become more of a plot point.

 

[A Clockwork Lim]

Yeah. I'm beginning to suspect they got all new writers and just said "fuck it" to the old storylines. Disappointing, but I guess I owe them enough to watch to see how it goes this season before passing too much judgement. I enjoyed the first season enough to warrant that much.

 

[Aragorn]

"Your brain is... fascinating."

 

[the Dagman]

"Your brain is... fascinating."

Kinda sheds a whole different light on the old TOS episode "Spock's Brain".

 

[Mallet]

What I don't get is why A) Peter never went "evil" after his run in with Sylar back in season one. He should have automatically absorbed Sylar's power at the school when he saved Claire. And B) Why did Peter have to ask Sylar for his power when he was in the future, because he should have already had it from the earlier run in & what the hell is with him "asking" for it anyways? Just being in the same room as Sylar should have given him the power. When has Peter ever had to ask to absorb a power?

 

[HappyDayRiot]

I would speculate that he only absorbs powers when they are USED around him. He's never been around Sylar when he was using the intuitive aptitude power on someone's ripped apart head, hence he never absorbed it.

 

[Kryton]

Future Sylar suggested that Peter had long-since absorbed the ability...he just had never managed to tap into it (like, apparently, Gabriel's own innate watch-fixing talents had done naturally). It was Future Gabe's TELLING him how to access it that triggered the hunger.

 

[ALF]

"Arther Petrielli (Max Cherry), bail bondsman!" LOL.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the eclipse factors into all of this.
Supposedly it's the TSN turning point of the series.
As for good guys turning bad and vice verse, I'm all for it. Shake that shit up.

Is that the same actor who played Max Cherry? I'm going to have to go back and rewatch the end of this episode because I totally missed that.

That's Robert Forster, my man! His voice is unmistakable
Wiki backs it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Forster

 

[Temis the Vorta]

"Your brain is... fascinating."

Yeah they're bitching about that in the Trek XI forum, too. Spock can never do anything violent ever again without us seeing Sylar. He better avoid all space plagues/Mirror Universes/pon farr-related situations from now on...

What I don't get is why A) Peter never went "evil" after his run in with Sylar back in season one. He should have automatically absorbed Sylar's power at the school when he saved Claire.

Blame Plot Hole man again, or perhaps Convenient Inconsistency man. Sylar's seeing power seems to be special in that Peter must be trained to use it. Why? Oh just cuz.

 

[Hermiod]

^Peter only seems to absorb abilities when they are being used. That's why he absorbed Sylar's telekinesis and not his intuitive aptitude or any of his other abilities. Sylar had to choose to use his own power in order to allow Peter to absorb it.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

So Sylar showing him how it worked was an unnecessary detail that the writers threw in for the audience's benefit?

 

[Hermiod]

So Sylar showing him how it worked was an unnecessary detail that the writers threw in for the audience's benefit?

My view is that he was using the power himself to talk Peter through the process of learning how to use it.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

But Peter never needed to be taught how to use any other power. Ah well not that I care, it was a cool scene to have Sylar teaching him. I'm hoping for more visualizations of what the "seeing" power actually looks like from Sylar or Peter's perspective (like the spinning watch cogs) and more of either or both using the power to do something beyond brain inspection.

 

[Hermiod]

^I can figure out a lot of things for myself, but it always goes faster if someone who has done the same thing a thousand times before shows me how.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Maybe Future-Gabriel realized that Peter has the brains of a goldfish and needs to be led by the nose.

I thought of something else!

Peter apparently doesn't have Matt's mind-control power, but couldn't he learn to use it too? He knows it exists because Matt used it to make the TV station cooperate with Nathan's press conference. Now that Peter is going eeeevil, that should be a very dangerous development. Presumably nobody other than Matt could stop him: they can't use telepathy on each other since they get feedback so presumably the will-control thing works the same way.

Matt needs to get his butt back home pronto!

 

[DarthPipes]

"Your brain is... fascinating."

Kinda sheds a whole different light on the old TOS episode "Spock's Brain".

Probably trying to find the secrets to Shatner's acting...

 

[A Clockwork Lim]

Peter and Matt can use telepathy on one another... as long as the other one isn't aware of it. Problem is, every time Idiot Peter tries to do it, he does it facing Matt who instantly recognizes the constipated look and starts to use his own, thus causing the feedback.

That said, to date Matt is the only person in the entire show who has been able to defeat the Hatian's power, albeit at the cost of a bloody nose. I wonder if anyone else could do the same if they tried as hard as he did.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Peter and Matt can use telepathy on one another... as long as the other one isn't aware of it. Problem is, every time Idiot Peter tries to do it, he does it facing Matt who instantly recognizes the constipated look and starts to use his own, thus causing the feedback.

When has Peter or Matt successfully read the mind of the other? I don't recall that. It would be significant if the feedback were passive vs active. I was under the impression it was just a passive force that always existed and blocked them out of each others' minds.

 

[Hermiod]

^They have never successfully read each other's minds, Parkman wasn't able to plant suggestions in Peter's head either.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

^They have never successfully read each other's minds, Parkman wasn't able to plant suggestions in Peter's head either.

That's why I think Matt will be the only person who can stop Evil Peter's impending rampage.

Then all the "what's Matt good for?" folks will learn their lesson!

And if Matt is blocked from imposing his will on Peter, it stands to reason that Peter has the will-controlling power (once again, it's the feedback problem) but maybe Peter doesn't realize he should have that power. He can't even remember to turn invisible when someone is shooting at him.