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Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leauge"

JudgeDredd

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Yeah, I know Variety reported that they've got a script for a "Justice League" movie in the works. While I don't think Marvel's strategy needs to be DC's (separate franchises leading up to team movie) I do think there's a better way to go than simply jumping in to a JL movie.

Here's my plan:

*Use "Man of Steel" as the basis for a new cinematic DCU. Apparently, Nolan and Snyder didn't want this film to be connected to any others, but that was before The Avengers phenomenon.

*MOS can establish a new, non-Dark Knight Trilogy world in which characters like Superman and his Kryptonian enemies exists. Humanity is still tentative about aliens and Superman himself at the end, but they now know (if not accept) that super-powered beings exist.

*Like in comic book history, Superman is the first super-hero (also like the new DCU continuity) to operate publicly. At the end of MOS, Clark Kent gets an assignment: interview Bruce Wayne about the recent announcement of a business deal with LexCorp.

*This sets up the next film, "Superman Batman." I would personally love it if the WB just adapted "The World's Finest," the three-part B:TAS story that was re-packed as "The Superman/Batman Movie." It got the characterization of both heroes, their supporting casts, and villains down perfectly. Though I don't think I'd go with the Joker.

*"Superman Batman" would serve as an introduction to the new cinematic DCU take on Batman. This version of Batman is more in line with a comic book take, i.e., his suit is a little more like the comic version and he and his world are not mired by concerns of "realism." Instead of the Joker as Luthor's partner in crime, maybe Kirk Langstrom or Victor Fries would work better. Man-Bat is one of the few great Batman villains who has not been put on the big screen and Mr. Freeze was never given his proper due.

*The main character journey of "Superman/Batman" involves the two heroes learning to work with others and trust people outside of their respective families. This is easier for Clark Kent given his upbringing, but still not easy. This leads to the decision on the part of both heroes that they can do more good as part of a team. Which leads to...

*"Justice League:" In "Superman/Batman," we'd see a few Easter eggs about other future JLAers. A scene in the Daily Planet mentioning this "urban legend" in Central City about a guy who moves so fast he's never really seen. A story on a TV in the background somewhere about a mysterious UFO crash landing in Coast City. And so forth. In "Justice League," we see the heroes brought together to face a common crisis.

*This common crisis would be keeping with JLA continuity and would be different from the "fantasy football/recruiting" element of The Avengers. While the Appalaxians could be a really great thread on the big screen, I'd rather see the Hyperclan used. Superman's debut was exciting but also frightening in its implications for the world: we are not alone and not all of our neighbors are friendly. Then new costumed heroes emerge, inspired by Superman. There's mistrust and fear of these people, and then Earth is visited by another group of aliens with super-powers. They promise to make Earth a paradise, and begin to do so, until a government-protected alien, Martian J'onn J'onnz, realizes that the Hyperclan are really members of the White Martian race.

*Superman and Batman immediately distrust the Hyperclan. They investigate, and learn the truth: the Hyperclan wants to colonize Earth and use its inhabitants as slaves and food. After a battle with a few of the clan, Superman and Batman approach the heroes we glimpsed in S/B, and others, and together with J'onn, they take down the Hyperclan, save the Earth, and win the hearts of the public.

Final thoughts: A lot of my ideas are from B:TAS and Grant Morrison's JLA, but I don't think there's any reason to re-invent the wheel. The greatest JLA stories have already been told...simply put them together in a new whole and you have a new franchise with the World's Greatest Super-Heroes.

What do you guys think?
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

I'm not sure about a Superman/Batman movie to start it off. Probably be better to start with Man Of Steel, and they already have Green lantern under their belt, so could just use him and Superman in a Justice League without further introduction (I think it would be wise to keep Ryan Reynolds, but, they could recast without having to do another intro movie).

So, with those two already established, go ahead and do a Batman reboot, and that would give you three, which should be plenty to start the Justice League movie with, and then spin off your other characters after the Justice League Introduction.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Here's my take: Do the opposite of Marvel. Start with a Justice League movie and then spin-off characters for their individual movies (with the exception of MOS, if you must).

I'm done with origin stories. I'm sick of waiting for characters to realize they have powers, to figure out how to use their powers and then become the superhero we've been waiting an hour and a half to see. This goes for teams as well. Have them already established as the JL when the movie begins.

If you MUST have some type of origin or introduction then you can have one of the members be new to the new and are going through their induction when the movie starts. That way any explanatory exposition could be used for them. ("Welcome to the Justice League, Flash now here's a bit of our history and what we're all about.")

And I agree with you about using the Hyperclan. I think they'd be great for a movie. Mutliple team members with multiple powers to challenge the JL. I would combine their story with the Elite story and have them at first appear to be saviors whose violent methods would be embraced by people who are constantly getting attacked by super villains. It would also be a great way to show off the old school "justice" mentality of the Justice League characters and, in the end, show that there is still a place for that type of thinking.

Afterward you can have individual spin-off movies with the team members with possible flashbacks to their origins (again, if you MUST).

That's how I would play it.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Here's my take: Do the opposite of Marvel. Start with a Justice League movie and then spin-off characters for their individual movies (with the exception of MOS, if you must).

I'm done with origin stories. I'm sick of waiting for characters to realize they have powers, to figure out how to use their powers and then become the superhero we've been waiting an hour and a half to see. This goes for teams as well. Have them already established as the JL when the movie begins.

If you MUST have some type of origin or introduction then you can have one of the members be new to the new and are going through their induction when the movie starts. That way any explanatory exposition could be used for them. ("Welcome to the Justice League, Flash now here's a bit of our history and what we're all about.")

And I agree with you about using the Hyperclan. I think they'd be great for a movie. Mutliple team members with multiple powers to challenge the JL. I would combine their story with the Elite story and have them at first appear to be saviors whose violent methods would be embraced by people who are constantly getting attacked by super villains. It would also be a great way to show off the old school "justice" mentality of the Justice League characters and, in the end, show that there is still a place for that type of thinking.

Afterward you can have individual spin-off movies with the team members with possible flashbacks to their origins (again, if you MUST).

That's how I would play it.

GREAT idea to combine the themes of The Elite with the Hyperclan...hadn't considered that, but it's brilliant.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

I don't think you need any lead-in strategies for a JL movie. The younger generation know the heroes from the recent cartoons. The rest of us know them from watching Superfriends on Saturday mornings. All they need is good story with each hero having enough to do. They could have the threat of the movie be encountered by each hero separately which forces them to team up at the end. This would allow the audience to "get to know" each hero along the way.
I just don't know that the current version of Batman fits in the the JL comic version of the character.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Here's my take: Do the opposite of Marvel. Start with a Justice League movie and then spin-off characters for their individual movies (with the exception of MOS, if you must).

This. And this again.

Seriously, and I say this as a Flash fan, does he really need a movie to INTRODUCE him? He runs FAST.

Wonder Woman... really, does she need an intro?
Green Lantern.... just had a movie... a new one?
Bats...
Supes...
Aquaman... he SWIMS, he's the King of Atlantis... do we REALLY need a movie to explain this?

The WB should launch the DCU movies in the League and then spin off. To do it otherwise would 1. Delay the JL movie for YEARS 2. Look like its copying Marvel.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Here's my take: Do the opposite of Marvel. Start with a Justice League movie and then spin-off characters for their individual movies (with the exception of MOS, if you must).

This. And this again.

Seriously, and I say this as a Flash fan, does he really need a movie to INTRODUCE him? He runs FAST.

Wonder Woman... really, does she need an intro?
Green Lantern.... just had a movie... a new one?
Bats...
Supes...
Aquaman... he SWIMS, he's the King of Atlantis... do we REALLY need a movie to explain this?

The WB should launch the DCU movies in the League and then spin off. To do it otherwise would 1. Delay the JL movie for YEARS 2. Look like its copying Marvel.

Just want to add my voice to the chorus of agreement. I say let the Man of Steel and Green Lantern be the only movie(s) in this universe, unless we can convince Christian Bale to play Batman in a JLA movie. If the JLA movie is successful then spin off some of the lesser characters like Wonder Woman, Flash, et al.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

I think we definitely need a new version of Batman for this new DCU. I love Nolan and Bale's Batman, but I want something closer to the comics. I actually think that getting Paul Dini to work on developing a new Batman movie franchise inspired conceptually and visually by the Arkham games would be the tops. Not sure if you guys have already seen this, but I think the Arkham suit would be perfect for the big screen:

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This is an actual suit made by some very talented costumers. Imagine what could be done with this look using a film budget?

The reason I'd want to start first with a Superman/Batman movie is because it's a classic team-up and it would definitely make tons of money. Doing so would also be a nice way to build up to a JL movie so that it wouldn't appear to John and Jane Q. General Viewer that the JL is a rip-off of The Avengers.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

A Justice League movie contain five heroes. Even with the large cast of the Avengers, most agree Thor was short changed, and Hawkeye spent most of the film as the mind controlled bad guy. Gives us Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Flash. If they don't let Batman join in, substitute the Martian Manhunter.

People will complain that their favorite hero isn't present, so just keep it to core members.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Lose the trunks and that suit would look pretty good.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Lose the trunks and that suit would look pretty good.

Word. Why does Batman need to wear his underwear on the outside? Is he THAT prepared?

Edited to add: I think we should also be careful about making it "more like the comics." What's the point? More people watch the cartoons than read the comics. More like the comics seems to be narrowing the audience.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

A Justice League movie contain five heroes. Even with the large cast of the Avengers, most agree Thor was short changed, and Hawkeye spent most of the film as the mind controlled bad guy. Gives us Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Flash. If they don't let Batman join in, substitute the Martian Manhunter.

People will complain that their favorite hero isn't present, so just keep it to core members.

Y'know, I can get behind this idea. DC's marketing often omits either Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, or both. Case in point:

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Lose the trunks and that suit would look pretty good.

Yeah, I guess losing the trunks would fit what they did with Cavill's Superman costume and the new 52...though they need something to break up the gray.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Well, the advice is certainly worth every penny you're charging them.

As suggested above, it makes a great deal more sense for Warners to go ahead with a Justice League movie and then spin off whatever characters they think are viable based on audience reaction. They don't need another Batman movie to lead up to it; everyone knows Batman.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

I think we definitely need a new version of Batman for this new DCU. I love Nolan and Bale's Batman, but I want something closer to the comics. I actually think that getting Paul Dini to work on developing a new Batman movie franchise inspired conceptually and visually by the Arkham games would be the tops. Not sure if you guys have already seen this, but I think the Arkham suit would be perfect for the big screen:

aaacwhite.jpg


This is an actual suit made by some very talented costumers. Imagine what could be done with this look using a film budget?

I really like that Bat-Suit! It is a good design. Realistic, yet congruent with the comics.

A Justice League movie contain five heroes. Even with the large cast of the Avengers, most agree Thor was short changed, and Hawkeye spent most of the film as the mind controlled bad guy. Gives us Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Flash. If they don't let Batman join in, substitute the Martian Manhunter.

People will complain that their favorite hero isn't present, so just keep it to core members.

In recent threads about a JLA movie I always thought that there were too many characters to do a good movie with all of them.

So I agree with sticking to the core five who are the best well known for the general public. And unless the story takes part in the ocean Aquaman is not needed.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Well, the advice is certainly worth every penny you're charging them.

As suggested above, it makes a great deal more sense for Warners to go ahead with a Justice League movie and then spin off whatever characters they think are viable based on audience reaction. They don't need another Batman movie to lead up to it; everyone knows Batman.

I never said my advice was worth anything. I do agree with you about Batman, and I don't think we should see a rebooted Batman for another five, maybe even seven years.

I think we definitely need a new version of Batman for this new DCU. I love Nolan and Bale's Batman, but I want something closer to the comics. I actually think that getting Paul Dini to work on developing a new Batman movie franchise inspired conceptually and visually by the Arkham games would be the tops. Not sure if you guys have already seen this, but I think the Arkham suit would be perfect for the big screen:

aaacwhite.jpg


This is an actual suit made by some very talented costumers. Imagine what could be done with this look using a film budget?

I really like that Bat-Suit! It is a good design. Realistic, yet congruent with the comics.

A Justice League movie contain five heroes. Even with the large cast of the Avengers, most agree Thor was short changed, and Hawkeye spent most of the film as the mind controlled bad guy. Gives us Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Flash. If they don't let Batman join in, substitute the Martian Manhunter.

People will complain that their favorite hero isn't present, so just keep it to core members.

In recent threads about a JLA movie I always thought that there were too many characters to do a good movie with all of them.

So I agree with sticking to the core five who are the best well known for the general public. And unless the story takes part in the ocean Aquaman is not needed.

Very much agreed about Aquaman. Not that I don't think the character is good, I just don't think he's necessary for a first movie. And the truth is, despite what Johns is doing with him in the comics right now, more people have seen Seths Greene and McFarlane destroy him in their parodies. So it might be a good idea to avoid him initially.

I could see the WB putting Green Arrow in, what with the new series, but the obvious comparisons to Hawkeye would be worth avoiding. Though in my opinion, Ollie's the more interesting character.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Just need DC's Nick Fury equivalent to go around and recruit the heroes for the first 45 minutes of the film.

Remember, there was no "Wolverine" film before "The X-Men" movie.

Just make it long enough and it'll work.

(That's what she said :eek:!)
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Just need DC's Nick Fury equivalent to go around and recruit the heroes for the first 45 minutes of the film.

They already had Amanda Waller in the GL movie.
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

DC doesn't have a Nick Fury counterpart I don't think. Maybe Amanda Waller, but she's always been much more antagonistic than Fury and been in more nefarious plots than he has.

The trouble with Superman putting together the League, is that he's always been a reluctant member, but always voted in as a chair by the others because he's seen as the natural leader. I think if a Justice League film was done...we could see it similar to how the first arc of Geoff Johns New 52 Justice League was put together. I think we'll soon see the New 52 influence DC Ent's live action properties. Henry Cavil was quoted as saying that "Man of Steel" was similar to the New 52 Superman (although he might have been describing that because it'd just come out).
 
Re: Here's my free advice to the WB on how to lead up to "Justice Leau

Just need DC's Nick Fury equivalent to go around and recruit the heroes for the first 45 minutes of the film.
They could just have Superman put the League together.

Is it even logically necessary? Aside from Batman, it seems completely plausible that all the super-people would convergence of their own initiative on any really big threat; what really begs justification is the fact that they all stick to their own movies and books most of the time.
 
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