Well, when I first saw it I was very, "Meh" about the whole thing. However, after seeing it a few more times, it is starting to grow on me. Can't wait to see it on screen.
Here it is - no bloody "A", "B" "C" or "D"
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As much as I hate the changes to the Enterprise, it's just barely possible that toy licencees wanted changes made to differentiate this Enterprise from those already sold, in order to increase future toy sales. After all, if you're just selling an Enterprise toy that looks exactly like the one you sold two years ago, your sales might not be so hot.
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Or maybe Paramount, the people who OWN Star Trek signed off on this design because they liked it....
Hmmm.
Here is my main issue, this is not a reboot; if it was, it would make complete sense. But since this is suppose to fit inside the cannon, even the things that they have "changed" they have said they did for cannon reasons, it does not fit. We know what Pike's E looked like in that time and this is not it. The way that Enterprise could get away with the NX-01 was that we had no idea about that time period. All there was to go on was the Phoenix and that was it. It fit the profile of that ship, more than Kirk's E because it was closer to that era. Pike's E was a new ship and a new way of doing things for Starfleet, mainly because it was a Federation design, not just an earth design. I understand the need to have the E look good on the big screen, but come one, why does it look more like a 50's hotrod than the E that was actually made in the 60's? Jefferies was a visionary, he was trying to reach into the future and design a ship for that. What he came up with was beautiful in its simplicity, flow and grace. Then the refit came along and just stylized and beatified and texturized the E for the big screen. JJ-prise seems to lack the idea of simplicity and grace that the E has been known for and that separated ST from SW.
Tomorrow Is Yesterday.Sigh... kids these days...
It was established, in dialog, there "there are only a dozen like her in the fleet."
I have read that in books, one (think it was Mr Scotts Guide) said that out of the 12 original ships the Enterprise was the only one left (abvoiusly this cant be taken at face value)
That Kiek quote does ring a bell thought, cant remember which episode it was in though
Well, I'll certainly be going to see the film (once) anyway.
It may be a great film. Or not. And the "set-dressing" isn't gonna establish that either way.
I just think it's unfortunate that the people doing the flick seem to have chosen to make changes that don't really seem to add to the experience for anyone (fan or non-fan).
I actually think we largely agree here... and if I'm overstating it, it's because for 43 years now I've known that ship. From the time I was a lil' kid, I told everyone that when I grew up I "wanted to build the Enterprise." There's a degree of emotional attachment that I feel.
This is what the "new movie" crew, and the "forget TOS" people on here for that matter, seem to not realize. For those of us who've been there from the beginning, this ship is something we have an emotional attachment to.
So... let's give a parallel. It's a movie that's out right now called "Changeling." In this movie, a woman loses her son... and they bring back a kid who meets the description of that kid... but who isn't the kid she knows. It's not her son.
But c'mon, he's a boy, he's the same age, same height, etc, etc. The thing is, he's not the one who she's emotionally connected to. He's not her SON.
That's sort of how some of us feel right now. We're being told that this is "the Enterprise" but we know that it's not. It's not "the Enterprise with a little plastic surgery." It's just another ship... but we're supposed to accept it as such.
So, for those of us who are reacting, perhaps, a little bit emotionally here... that's it, really. For those of you who don't get it, maybe if you think about it that way, you'll start to.
I think I'm done with this topic now. But just FYI... thanks for the nice reply, Six. Your point is well-taken.
I just don't like it. I was expecting it to look very much like the TOS Enterprise, with perhaps a tweak here and there. This is more than just a combination of the TOS Enterprise and TMP-TUC Enterprise. This isn't the Enterprise at all. What I was really hoping for was the Enterprise from TOS that we've seen in the remastered episodes. This design is all wrong. I could go on and on about what's wrong with it, but it's pointless. This is Abrams' Star Trek, and his Enterprise. It simply isn't my Enterprise.
I'm surprised more people haven't come around to liking the new design by now. I never outrighted hated it like others here, but I definitely shared that same sense of shock at how different and strange it was at first.
But two days later I've gone from thinking it was "servicable" or "fine but a little odd" to absolutely LOVING it. It just took me awhile to adjust to the changes is all-- which is the same process I went through with the Ent-D, Ent-E, Voyager, and even the Defiant from DS9.
(I never came to like the NX-01 however. lol)
But two days later I've gone from thinking it was "servicable" or "fine but a little odd" to absolutely LOVING it. It just took me awhile to adjust to the changes is all-- which is the same process I went through with the Ent-D, Ent-E, Voyager, and even the Defiant from DS9.
(I never came to like the NX-01 however. lol)
Alright your done you've equated a fictional ship with an emotional attachment to a person. Stop. Now, Please. I know you love the show I know you love the Enterprise but they are in no way the same thing. I won't you the normal snark that some would about a shrink, but I mean come on... It's a fictional ship and that's way too much of an emotional attachment for something not real.
The episode was "Tomorrow is Yesterday" -- line spoken by Kirk to Captain Christopher.
You still owe me an answer about Vektor's images, btw.
Um realistically none of the Enterprises have ever been YOUR Enterprise or MY Enterprise. They all belong to Gene, Rick, or Paramount. Realistically.
Good point, Scott. I don't know if anyone is familiar with Gatchaman, but the first series had a fine looking ship for the Phoenix...the same we see in Battle of the Planets. But after the success of the first Gatchaman series, two more were spawned. However, the production company demanded the Phoenix be redesigned to increase toy sales. So, they made is hideous-looking Phoenix that looked like a deranged rooster. It's not surprising that the more favored ship to this day is by far the original Phoenix.
Original:
Made for toy sales:
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I assume the same will be with this Enterprise vs. the TOS Enterprise.
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Greetings,
It's been many years - at least five - since I've been here as some transitions of this BBS were kind of rough and my account was lost with its hundreds or couple of thousand posts. I wasn't inspired to rejoin until this discussion about the ship.
Please take a careful look because I think the designer put a heavy dose of sexuality into it. Maybe it actually shows that's how I think. But maybe it reveals a deeper intent of subliminal sexiness on their part. I think the slender design of the aft section is extremely feminine. Let me describe; it won't take long.
Both the struts and the nacelles taper off as you travel up or back. The secondary hull itself tapers to a slender waist between the struts. Now picture the upright ship as a woman lying on her back. The nacellle struts are her thighs. The nacelles themselves are everything below her knee. The strut angle is in a very suggestive orientation, at least from that point of view.
I think you get my drift without being too graphic. Do you suppose this is just in my mind, or theirs?
Well, they do refer to ships as "she." So let's see if you can deal with that image every time you see the new ship.
It's been many years - at least five - since I've been here as some transitions of this BBS were kind of rough and my account was lost with its hundreds or couple of thousand posts. I wasn't inspired to rejoin until this discussion about the ship.
Please take a careful look because I think the designer put a heavy dose of sexuality into it. Maybe it actually shows that's how I think. But maybe it reveals a deeper intent of subliminal sexiness on their part. I think the slender design of the aft section is extremely feminine. Let me describe; it won't take long.
Both the struts and the nacelles taper off as you travel up or back. The secondary hull itself tapers to a slender waist between the struts. Now picture the upright ship as a woman lying on her back. The nacellle struts are her thighs. The nacelles themselves are everything below her knee. The strut angle is in a very suggestive orientation, at least from that point of view.
I think you get my drift without being too graphic. Do you suppose this is just in my mind, or theirs?
Well, they do refer to ships as "she." So let's see if you can deal with that image every time you see the new ship.
One last reply, then...
No, it's not. I didn't say it's on the same LEVEL as a child. I gave an example that would help illustrate the response of those of us who dislike it as much as we do, and hopefully explain it, to those of you who don't understand it. I didn't say that "this ship" is the same as "a child."
As for emotional attachments, we get those to all sorts of things. To our first car. To our favorite sports team. To a particular piece of art. To a house we may have lived in at some point. None of those are as important as a child, either. But that doesn't mean that there's not an emotional attachment we form. It's not "sick," it's normal... it's HUMAN.
The design change is not anywhere near as radical or stupid for that matter. I cannot believe how irrational some of the responses to this ship are.
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Just a thought, lets say in another 10 years they have had a number of successful sequals from next Mays release which has brought in thousands of new Star Trek fans making this whole thing profitable again for Paramount and co, mayb even a new TV show based on the films is on the air or in production.
Now if this happens, are any of you by any chance just a little but worried that this new breed of Trek fan (and the ones to follow) will be introduced to this new take on the universe (and in some cases grow up with it like we did with first runs or repeats of TOS or TNG) will recognise the JJ universe as Star Trek and the JJ version of the ship as THE Enterprise?
Now if this happens, are any of you by any chance just a little but worried that this new breed of Trek fan (and the ones to follow) will be introduced to this new take on the universe (and in some cases grow up with it like we did with first runs or repeats of TOS or TNG) will recognise the JJ universe as Star Trek and the JJ version of the ship as THE Enterprise?
Words have meanings or they don't I can only comprehend it the way you put it down, not the way you're trying to back pedal out of it...
So... let's give a parallel. It's a movie that's out right now called "Changeling." In this movie, a woman loses her son... and they bring back a kid who meets the description of that kid... but who isn't the kid she knows. It's not her son.
But c'mon, he's a boy, he's the same age, same height, etc, etc. The thing is, he's not the one who she's emotionally connected to. He's not her SON.
That's sort of how some of us feel right now. We're being told that this is "the Enterprise" but we know that it's not. It's not "the Enterprise with a little plastic surgery." It's just another ship... but we're supposed to accept it as such.
You know I loved my first car, I wrecked my first car I got another car that looked just like my first car in a different color. I don't expect you to think this is TOS Enterprise. I've said that It looks like the enterprise. It looks pretty much how every Enterprise other than the NX-01 has looked. It looks like a Starfleet vessel and as I said as long as every other Constitution class vessel we see in the new movie looks like this then it believably is the Enterprise for this movie universe, even if it's not exactly what I wanted, but I'd be foolish to assume that Abrams would give me exactly what I wanted when I have no had in the creative process. This is Star Trek 09's Enterprise, like it or not, get used to it cause the film is done just waiting for may to get here.
So... let's give a parallel. It's a movie that's out right now called "Changeling." In this movie, a woman loses her son... and they bring back a kid who meets the description of that kid... but who isn't the kid she knows. It's not her son.
But c'mon, he's a boy, he's the same age, same height, etc, etc. The thing is, he's not the one who she's emotionally connected to. He's not her SON.
That's sort of how some of us feel right now. We're being told that this is "the Enterprise" but we know that it's not. It's not "the Enterprise with a little plastic surgery." It's just another ship... but we're supposed to accept it as such.
You know I loved my first car, I wrecked my first car I got another car that looked just like my first car in a different color. I don't expect you to think this is TOS Enterprise. I've said that It looks like the enterprise. It looks pretty much how every Enterprise other than the NX-01 has looked. It looks like a Starfleet vessel and as I said as long as every other Constitution class vessel we see in the new movie looks like this then it believably is the Enterprise for this movie universe, even if it's not exactly what I wanted, but I'd be foolish to assume that Abrams would give me exactly what I wanted when I have no had in the creative process. This is Star Trek 09's Enterprise, like it or not, get used to it cause the film is done just waiting for may to get here.
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What I like to know, how you can post an image without hotlinking them? Unless you can upload the pictures on this site first, EVERY picture is hotlinked.
And yes, I have his permission.
Well, I assume you heard the term, "not your father's..." and whatever you want to insert. That's all I was saying.
^^You can put pictures on if you host them from either your own site or a place like photobucket.
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