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Here it is - no bloody "A", "B" "C" or "D"

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More like this please...

enterprise_redesign.jpg
AWESOME!

I WANT THAT SHIP!

Well, with a little more work on the saucer. It's too much like TMP's saucer.
 
More like this please...

enterprise_redesign.jpg

While I do like some of the changes, the TOS markings, pushing in the front of the secondary hull, I think the secondary hull now looks a little too...fat I guess would be the right word. Still, the PS work is impressive.
 
Well.. that edited kitbash looks like a Duck, i find it quite UGLY.

People get over the Yellow Deflector UGH!!!!!!!
 
I could sure do with a bit less of the straw-man arguments and lumping those of us who don't like this design for this Enterprise in with "people who don't like change", Finnegan.

I'd have most of this site's regulars come down my throat with the changes I'd make to Star Trek, laddie, and I still don't like this design.

Psion, I'm not trying to lump anybody in with anybody else. I was just
making a point about the rabid haters who seem to resist ANY change as being bad. I love a lively discussion, with a myriad of differing views.
I just choose to procede from the assumption that an updated "old"
Enterprise is not completely unwarranted or a blasphemy of some kind.
We can all agree/disagree to our hearts content about the changes that appear to have been made to 1701. We all have our favorite Enterprise, and our views on her are bound to be as unique and as individual as each of us. So, I'm not making sweeping generalizations about people, or offering ad hominem attacks. Some--and I use the qualifying term "some"--of the posters here are just far too rigid and hatefull of anything that upsets/alters/challenges their comfort zones about what is sacred and should never be changed. And they get pissed off way too easily and in a disproportionate way, and are also quite rude and insulting.
 
You know, maybe because it's not a, oh, I don't know, a WARP drive. You know, as in WARPING space and time, to circumvent the lightspeed barrier?

Something that pulls some particles in and forces them out the back would be THRUST drive, an Ion drive, or rather an ordinary conventional kinetic... wait for it, IMPULSE drive, as in a SUBLIGHT drive that cannot break the lightspeed barrier.

It's probably just me, but when I hear a WARP drive, I'm expecting space and time to be WARPed by it. But you know, like I said, probably just me.

You've missed my point. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's not deliberate. My point is it doesn't matter what you expect a warp drive should do. It can do whatever the hell it wants. It's a story device that gets us from point to point. It should definitely conform to certain laws but those laws only need be set by the fictional universe in which it exists. And since the fictional universe hasn't really set any laws, any fan speculation shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

Here's a frightening thought: what if Alex and Bob have written a sequence that explains warp that you or someone else don't agree with? Is it immediately invalid because it doesn't behave like a warp drive should behave?

Because change, isn't good in and of it self. We are for GOOD change. But when we se BAD change, we say so.

Quit throwing around good and bad like they're capitalised ABSOLUTES. I don't pretend to know entirely about your opinions about the new film but all I've seen you post are about the technical or aesthetic aspects of it. What do you think about the story as we know it thus far? If all you care about is the mechanics and design of the Enterprise, there are several tech manuals that will no doubt sate your need for such things for years to come. And they have nothing to do with the heresy proposed by JJ and company.
 
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Looks great.. I love it! Stylishly retro yet looks like it belongs to the times. I'm REALLY looking forward to this...
 
Makes one wonder if the "streaking stars/smear/stretching" effect used for warp jumps ever since 1979 will be in the new movie, or if Abrams and his crew came up with some new warp-jump idea we've never, ever seen demonstrated before. Even in NEMESIS toward the end of the B&B era of the franchise the Enterprise-E started leaving a trail/puff of warp plasma exhaust behind like cigarette smoke when she jumped to warp.

I demand that the new warp jump effect be an exact replication of the old Warner Brothers cartoons, wherein Bugs Bunny, or the Road Runner if you prefer, suddenly breaks into a rapid sprint, leaving behind a cloudy silhouette in the shape of their body. So when the ship jumps to warp, we see an Enterprise-shaped cloud of dust left behind in its wake. If I don't get that, or at least some swirly little "wind lines", then I WILL BOYCOTT TEH FILM!!!!!11!!11111!!!!!!!!111!!11!1!
 
Change is NOT neccessarily bad, something different that pays homage to what has come before is not the work of the Devil...
No, change isn't always bad, and change was expected, but I was hoping at least for something that wasn't ugly. This change was bad.

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I could sure do with a bit less of the straw-man arguments and lumping those of us who don't like this design for this Enterprise in with "people who don't like change", Finnegan.

I'd have most of this site's regulars come down my throat with the changes I'd make to Star Trek, laddie, and I still don't like this design.

Psion, I'm not trying to lump anybody in with anybody else. I was just
making a point about the rabid haters who seem to resist ANY change as being bad. I love a lively discussion, with a myriad of differing views.
I just choose to procede from the assumption that an updated "old"
Enterprise is not completely unwarranted or a blasphemy of some kind.
We can all agree/disagree to our hearts content about the changes that appear to have been made to 1701. We all have our favorite Enterprise, and our views on her are bound to be as unique and as individual as each of us. So, I'm not making sweeping generalizations about people, or offering ad hominem attacks. Some--and I use the qualifying term "some"--of the posters here are just far too rigid and hatefull of anything that upsets/alters/challenges their comfort zones about what is sacred and should never be changed. And they get pissed off way too easily and in a disproportionate way, and are also quite rude and insulting.

Honestly, I can think of only two people on these boards who I'd put into that "too rigid and hatefull of anything that upsets/alters/challenges their comfort zones" category. And when you come along and say,
... Really virulent
haters, in my opinion. And over what? The nacelles look different, or the
main deflector dish sticks out "too far"? Gimme a flipping break! The re-imagined Enterprise is beautiful to behold! At least we HAVE a new Enterprise to drool over and wonder about--at least there is some new TREK on the way!! But that's not enough for some. No, some of you would rather get into shouting matches over 3 digit registry numbers vs. the established "cannon" of 4 numbers. There is simply no pleasing some people, I guess ...
I can't help but think you're including me in that crowd, because I'm not liking this new ship either. And when you say that in a thread specifically devoted to discussion about that particular ship, it sure does come across as an attempt to disenfranchise the complaints of everyone who disagrees with you. I'd be more tempted to "shun" you for that, rather than
simply because I'm new to this forum and don't have hundreds of posts under my belt yet.
Of course, I'm not likely to do that. I even read what those people to whom you're intentionally referring who
... get pissed off way too easily and in a disproportionate way, and are also quite rude and insulting.
It has something to do with the philosophy behind Star Trek.
IDIC, anyone?
 
More like this please...

enterprise_redesign.jpg

Some of these 'shops are getting a little bit out of hand now. I half expect to see someone just post a picture of the TOS Enterprise and say, 'now that is what the Enterprise it is SUPPOSED to look like'.:rolleyes: This movie is a re-imaging of the original series, not everything should be identical to the source material, in fact originality and taking liberties should be encouraged.

I also find it funny that people initially complained about chromed Nacelles (which I do not think are chromed), and then praise a gold plated spinner for a Deflector Dish. I also do not understand the fascination with red coloured Nacelles, in fact I do not understand why they have to have a colour at all. The notion that they are dimmed when not powering up for Warp seems to make more sense to me, but I guess most people feel that because the previous Trek series had coloured Nacelles so should this one. I guess that could sum up the majority of peoples feelings that are complaining about this design and the movie in general, it just does not meet their preconcieved notions of what TOS era Consitution class and Star Trek should look like.
 
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While I do like some of the changes, the TOS markings, pushing in the front of the secondary hull, I think the secondary hull now looks a little too...fat I guess would be the right word ...

You just don't know how to appreciate change.

:)

Oh I can. Thin the secondary hull a little, or lengthen it a bit, and she is golden.:techman:

I hear ya. Unfortunately, Wamdue is right, this ain't the ship we're getting, either. I sure hope we get several versions of the Enterprise in this movie, and the one we're arguing about will be the ugliest of the designs.
 
You just don't know how to appreciate change.

:)

Oh I can. Thin the secondary hull a little, or lengthen it a bit, and she is golden.:techman:

I hear ya. Unfortunately, Wamdue is right, this ain't the ship we're getting, either. I sure hope we get several versions of the Enterprise in this movie, and the one we're arguing about will be the ugliest of the designs.

I do like the actual ship however, even though I have reservations. I do think that this photo makes her looks worse then she actually is proportionally, there is some sort of lens distortion.

And the nacelles do light up when she is at warp, which will look nicer I think.
 
Ryan Church

I’m not going to get involved in the mud slinging, here, but needed to assure you guys and gals: we’ve built you a fine ship. To clarify: there’s a slight optical illusion occurring here, consequence of the “camera” angle. For Rick and others who worry the nacelles don’t have a clear line of sight over the disc — they, in fact, do. We were hardly working in a vacuum. I raided ILM reference photos like a madman. We were deferential to “inviolates” of Star Trek design vocabulary. Additionally, the profile here isn’t 100% representative, because, as you’ve noticed, the Bussards are dimmed. The true profile of the nacelles may or may not be revealed here, and that’s all I’ll say.
 
Ryan Church

I’m not going to get involved in the mud slinging, here, but needed to assure you guys and gals: we’ve built you a fine ship. To clarify: there’s a slight optical illusion occurring here, consequence of the “camera” angle. For Rick and others who worry the nacelles don’t have a clear line of sight over the disc — they, in fact, do. We were hardly working in a vacuum. I raided ILM reference photos like a madman. We were deferential to “inviolates” of Star Trek design vocabulary. Additionally, the profile here isn’t 100% representative, because, as you’ve noticed, the Bussards are dimmed. The true profile of the nacelles may or may not be revealed here, and that’s all I’ll say.

That doesn't do much to address the oddities in the secondary hull.

Ugh not the gold deflector again...

As opposed to blue?!

Seriously ... how about copper with white lighting?
 
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