Here it is - no bloody "A", "B" "C" or "D"

[MIB]

In case you hadn't notices - well, you're new here - most of those who do not like what we're seeing, are pro change, and have been clamoring for change for a while now.

We're not afraid of change, in fact, we say the right is good.

Problem is, this change, is bad, really, really, really BAD. That ship is ugly as all hell.

Not to mention, that the ship seems to be supposedly the TOS Enterprise. Well, it clearly is NOT. *snip*

With all due respect, there's a difference between having an opinion and treating it as one and having an opinion and treating it not just as fact, but as inviolable scripture. You're proving Finnegan's point by carrying on the way you are. He's not criticizing the fact that some dislike the new design (which is perfectly acceptable). He's critcizing the sheer amount of rabid vitriol and/or dogma that some fans here are injecting into the discussion. If you don't like the design, that's cool. But ask yourself- is an expletive loaded post that repeats no less than half-a-dozen times, as pure, unadulterated fact (rather than personal opinion)- that the new design is garbage REALLY the way to express a dissenting opinion without coming off as exactly the kind of personality Finnegan was talking about?

 

[DeafPoet]

^ (sojourner)

Thanks for the reasoned response

I'm no physicist but I have a layman's understanding of the implications of FTL. Just pointing out that you dismissed the guy's explanation of Trek FTL when Trek FTL is a murky concept at best.

And I think we would all be best served by not getting bogged down in details like that for the purposes of the film. Your mileage may vary.

 

[3D Master]

In case you hadn't notices - well, you're new here - most of those who do not like what we're seeing, are pro change, and have been clamoring for change for a while now.

We're not afraid of change, in fact, we say the right is good.

Problem is, this change, is bad, really, really, really BAD. That ship is ugly as all hell.

Not to mention, that the ship seems to be supposedly the TOS Enterprise. Well, it clearly is NOT. *snip*

With all due respect, there's a difference between having an opinion and treating it as one and having an opinion and treating it not just as fact, but as inviolable scripture. You're proving Finnegan's point by carrying on the way you are. He's not criticizing the fact that some dislike the new design (which is perfectly acceptable).

No, actually he is criticizing that fact. What with his "We've got Star Trek, what more do you want!?"

 

[James Bond]

I'm 45 now, and have had Trek in my life since the TOS began showing on TV again in syndication. So, I'm a lifelong fan of the highest order, and have supported Trek through all of it's various permutations. I have earned my right to voice those opinions, and would like to now--but I know after reading some of the comments here, that I will be shunned simply because I'm new to this forum and don't have hundreds of posts under my belt yet.
So I'm "new"--and new means change, or something different, something to be feared--and that really seems to frighten or even enrage some of the posters here. Change is NOT neccessarily bad, something different that pays homage to what has come before is not the work of the Devil, and to be feared and despised at any and all costs. Are you Trek fans or not? Does the philosophy behind the concept mean nothing to some of you? IDIC, anyone?

After reading most of the comments here, I'm really floored at just how incredibly close-minded and anal some of the posters are. Really virulent
haters, in my opinion. And over what? The nacelles look different, or the
main deflector dish sticks out "too far"? Gimme a flipping break! The re-imagined Enterprise is beautiful to behold! At least we HAVE a new Enterprise to drool over and wonder about--at least there is some new TREK on the way!! But that's not enough for some. No, some of you would rather get into shouting matches over 3 digit registry numbers vs. the established "cannon" of 4 numbers. There is simply no pleasing some people, I guess.

The refit (movie) Enterprise was different than the original, and you survived. So who cares if they have some big bucks, some renewed studio interest, and have updated and streamlined the old girl a bit? Chillax, people.

If they happen to show a washroom in STXI, some of you will be howling
because they never showed Uhura or Bones taking a dump on national television in 1969--so therefore toilets cannot exist in the Trek universe because it's against "cannon". That's how ridiculous some of you are. THAT is how small-minded and petty some of the posters here are, at least in my opinion. So get bent.

I LOVE TREK, and I say (and agree) that some of you really do need to get a life, kiss a girl, and move out of your parents' basements. Everyone has a right to his/her opinion, but sweating such small details and flaming
off on each other and the new movie before the trailer is even out just strikes me as so sad. Some new Trek is on the way, and you act like it's the end of the world.

Excellent post, and welcome aboard.

 

[Plecostomus]

I'm 45 now, and have had Trek in my life since the TOS began showing on TV again in syndication. So, I'm a lifelong fan of the highest order, and have supported Trek through all of it's various permutations. I have earned my right to voice those opinions, and would like to now--but I know after reading some of the comments here, that I will be shunned simply because I'm new to this forum and don't have hundreds of posts under my belt yet.
So I'm "new"--and new means change, or something different, something to be feared--and that really seems to frighten or even enrage some of the posters here. Change is NOT neccessarily bad, something different that pays homage to what has come before is not the work of the Devil, and to be feared and despised at any and all costs. Are you Trek fans or not? Does the philosophy behind the concept mean nothing to some of you? IDIC, anyone?

After reading most of the comments here, I'm really floored at just how incredibly close-minded and anal some of the posters are. Really virulent
haters, in my opinion. And over what? The nacelles look different, or the
main deflector dish sticks out "too far"? Gimme a flipping break! The re-imagined Enterprise is beautiful to behold! At least we HAVE a new Enterprise to drool over and wonder about--at least there is some new TREK on the way!! But that's not enough for some. No, some of you would rather get into shouting matches over 3 digit registry numbers vs. the established "cannon" of 4 numbers. There is simply no pleasing some people, I guess.

The refit (movie) Enterprise was different than the original, and you survived. So who cares if they have some big bucks, some renewed studio interest, and have updated and streamlined the old girl a bit? Chillax, people.

If they happen to show a washroom in STXI, some of you will be howling
because they never showed Uhura or Bones taking a dump on national television in 1969--so therefore toilets cannot exist in the Trek universe because it's against "cannon". That's how ridiculous some of you are. THAT is how small-minded and petty some of the posters here are, at least in my opinion. So get bent.

I LOVE TREK, and I say (and agree) that some of you really do need to get a life, kiss a girl, and move out of your parents' basements. Everyone has a right to his/her opinion, but sweating such small details and flaming
off on each other and the new movie before the trailer is even out just strikes me as so sad. Some new Trek is on the way, and you act like it's the end of the world.

Quoted again, because this bears repeating, over and over and over again. Relax, revel in the fact that despite the hate they are yet again bringing Trek back for another round and move on with life.

 

[Gepard]

^I'll avoid yet another quote, but it's worth emphasizing.

 

[MIB]

In case you hadn't notices - well, you're new here - most of those who do not like what we're seeing, are pro change, and have been clamoring for change for a while now.

We're not afraid of change, in fact, we say the right is good.

Problem is, this change, is bad, really, really, really BAD. That ship is ugly as all hell.

Not to mention, that the ship seems to be supposedly the TOS Enterprise. Well, it clearly is NOT. *snip*

With all due respect, there's a difference between having an opinion and treating it as one and having an opinion and treating it not just as fact, but as inviolable scripture. You're proving Finnegan's point by carrying on the way you are. He's not criticizing the fact that some dislike the new design (which is perfectly acceptable).

No, actually he is criticizing that fact. What with his "We've got Star Trek, what more do you want!?"

If that's all you got from his post, then I would dare say you missed his point entirely. I don't really know what to say beyond that other than my recommendation for you to set aside the ego and read the post again only this time take it as a whole rather than focus on just a few select lines.

 

[number6]

With all due respect, there's a difference between having an opinion and treating it as one and having an opinion and treating it not just as fact, but as inviolable scripture. You're proving Finnegan's point by carrying on the way you are. He's not criticizing the fact that some dislike the new design (which is perfectly acceptable).

No, actually he is criticizing that fact. What with his "We've got Star Trek, what more do you want!?"

If that's all you got from his post, then I would dare say you missed his point entirely. I don't really know what to say beyond that other than my recommendation for you to set aside the ego and read the post again only this time take is as a whole rather than focus on just a few select lines.

QFT!

 

[sojourner]

So, how many are here just wasting time for "wrath of the Lichking" to go on sale at midnight?

 

[Finnegan]

I'm 45 now, and have had Trek in my life since the TOS began showing on TV again in syndication. So, I'm a lifelong fan of the highest order, and have supported Trek through all of it's various permutations. I have earned my right to voice those opinions, and would like to now--but I know after reading some of the comments here, that I will be shunned simply because I'm new to this forum and don't have hundreds of posts under my belt yet.
So I'm "new"--and new means change, or something different, something to be feared--and that really seems to frighten or even enrage some of the posters here. Change is NOT neccessarily bad, something different that pays homage to what has come before is not the work of the Devil, and to be feared and despised at any and all costs.

In case you hadn't notices - well, you're new here - most of those who do not like what we're seeing, are pro change, and have been clamoring for change for a while now.

We're not afraid of change, in fact, we say the right is good.

Problem is, this change, is bad, really, really, really BAD. That ship is ugly as all hell.

Not to mention, that the ship seems to be supposedly the TOS Enterprise. Well, it clearly is NOT.

Are you Trek fans or not? Does the philosophy behind the concept mean nothing to some of you? IDIC, anyone?

Oh, that again. Because after all, as Star Trek fans we're not allowed to be critical, and because some race in the show like to put IDIC in some of their icons, we must applaud anything different no matter how horrible it is.

Well, no. As Trek fans, we're critical of what comes out, because Star Trek has already degenerated into idiotic laughing stock with Voyager and Enterprise, and we don't want to see it degenerate into an even greater pile of junk.

No, actually, it's ugly as shit. Like it came out of someone's constipated asshole.

Indeed, it's not enough for me. You see, I actually want something GOOD. I much rather see a beloved show or franchise end, that watch it continued with crap so that crap can be dumped all over the good stuff I once enjoyed watching.

But hey, that's just me. If you like to watch crap just because it has the Star Trek name on it, keep watching it.

The refit was beautiful, and it did not overwrite the old one by saying it never existed.

So who cares if they have some big bucks, some renewed studio interest, and have updated and streamlined the old girl a bit? Chillax, people.

I care because it looks like a mismatched turd.

If they happen to show a washroom in STXI, some of you will be howling
because they never showed Uhura or Bones taking a dump on national television in 1969--so therefore toilets cannot exist in the Trek universe because it's against "cannon". That's how ridiculous some of you are. THAT is how small-minded and petty some of the posters here are, at least in my opinion. So get bent.

I LOVE TREK, and I say (and agree) that some of you really do need to get a life, kiss a girl, and move out of your parents' basements. Everyone has a right to his/her opinion, but sweating such small details and flaming
off on each other and the new movie before the trailer is even out just strikes me as so sad. Some new Trek is on the way, and you act like it's the end of the world.

No, actually, none of us give a care if they show toilets in the movie or not. But keep insulting, denigrating, and attempting to make anyone with a critical voice look bad. I'm sure that is much more satisfying to you than kissing a girl.

Sigh. And so it begins.
I clearly stated that everyone has a right to an opinion, so I'm not denigrating, or trying to make anyone look bad--some of you do an excellent job of that for yourselves. Is it beyond your comprehension
that, in 1969, or 1979, something that looked "futuristic" and new and bold
would not be able to present itself in that same way to a paying, movie-going audience in 2009?. Does the new Batmobile look like a customised
car from the mid-sixties, with silly tail fins and as long as a city block?
No--a modern audience would quite properly snicker and say what a silly, outdated, throwback it was and it would jar and remove the viewer from his movie-going experience and be a distraction. Personally, I do not want
that to happen with an audience watching any future Trek--and, understandably, neither do the people who are financing the new movie. I love the old Enterprise, but I don't see the harm in making her look a little more sleek and believable for a modern, sophisticated audience. The new design is not a turd, or crap, or any of the ugly terms you used to inflict your irrational hatred--IN MY OPINION. You can and do have your own opinion. Where is the fault, the foul? That I simply disagree?

Can you wrap your mind around the scientific advances that have ACTUALLY been made since 1966? The cell phone you probably carry around today is less than half the size of the original series communicators. Knowing that, should the NEW communicators in Trek XI be the same comparatively huge, boxy things that people will roll their eyes at and say "look how outdated and fake that looks?" Is that how you keep a beloved franchise current and alive? When an artist paints a new painting, does he then destroy all his older works as being inferior? Of course not. You seem to think that any changes to Star Trek will violate
the space -time continuum and make the shows that were made earlier disappear down some wormhole. TOS will still be there--you can still enjoy it for what it is/was anytime you choose--we all will. Why are you indignant? Most illogical.

 

[Psion]

I could sure do with a bit less of the straw-man arguments and lumping those of us who don't like this design for this Enterprise in with "people who don't like change", Finnegan.

I'd have most of this site's regulars come down my throat with the changes I'd make to Star Trek, laddie, and I still don't like this design.

 

[sojourner]

I personally would come up with a new "design language", ala TMP. Not sure what it would be though.

 

[Nardpuncher]

The new Enterprise looks a little better today after sleeping on it.

I must say though, that I still think it looks silly. Please don't judge my open-mindedness according to this though.

 

[trevanian]

Is it beyond your comprehension
that, in 1969, or 1979, something that looked "futuristic" and new and bold
would not be able to present itself in that same way to a paying, movie-going audience in 2009?. Does the new Batmobile look like a customised
car from the mid-sixties, with silly tail fins and as long as a city block?
No--a modern audience would quite properly snicker and say what a silly, outdated, throwback it was and it would jar and remove the viewer from his movie-going experience and be a distraction. .

Actually there are plenty of designs from half a century back that look at least as futuristic as they did then ... just look at Saarinen's work. Hell, look at the restaurant at LA airport.

I love the new batmobile, but I also like the ford futura thing from the TV show. I thought the Burton batmobile looked like somebody crapped a corvette out of their ass, now THAT was laughable.

There are dead-ends in design and tech innovation, which is just ONE reason why a lot of stuff is cyclical.

Most of the interiors in TMP looked very much of that era ... I likened the bridge to the Lockheed employee break room. But I don't have a strong objection to much of the TOS stuff, outside of obvious bits like moire displays and visible plywood. I think a LOT (not all) of TOS was very well designed indeed, and messing with it to the degree they have just seems indicative to me that they will miss the mark on story/character stuff as well (which seems born out by the stuff I read yesterday about Kirk, which is really bad.)

 

[Neopeius]

"I didn't mean to say the Enterprise should be hauling garbage. I meant to say that it should hauled away as garbage!!!"

So right on so many levels. Thank you.

 

[shipfisher]

I'm starting to like this new boat more (it's sort of comes on slow, like catching a cold), though I can't shake that '58 Buick thing when I look at the nacelles. Maybe Kirk should have driven one of those off the cliff instead of a mid-sixties 'vette.

If this ship is going up against some post-TNG romulans, she might take 'em out while getting the funky bits attached to that relatively purist saucer blown off. Maybe an impulsive young Kirk takes command and orders the drive section parked up the rommie ship with a core breach in progress. Some new contractor then gets the refit contract and, well... you can guess the rest.

 

[AJBryant]

Funny thing is, I look at that and see her much more easily refit into the TMP Enterprise then the TOS ship was refit into the TMP Enterprise.

That's exactly what I'm thinking.

In terms of the refit, this is a much more logical starting point. Unless, of course, the Big E now really *IS* a "BIG" E and is like 2000 feet long....


Tony

 

[ancient]

I could sure do with a bit less of the straw-man arguments and lumping those of us who don't like this design for this Enterprise in with "people who don't like change", Finnegan.

Agreed. I don't like this ship design based on its own merits and nothing else. I expected change, based on the teaser many months ago. I'm still optimistic about the movie.

Damn, that glowing neon dish looks like ass. Why is there a huge blue lampshade stuck on the ship?

 

[PixelMagic]

More like this please...

 

[ancient]

More like this please...

A vast improvement. The nacelles still look droopy to me, but this I would like ok.