Help me understand the situation with the Klingons and the war
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Mind you, when Kor realizes he's missing a shuttle and L'Rell, he's going to feel like an idiot.
It seems fairly straight forward and not that stupid by Star Trek or real life standards.
"Liberal secular democracy is making military alliances on our border, local dictator uses them and religious imagery as scapegoat to quite internal trouble."
NATO meets Wag the Dog and the Taliban.
What? The entire Klingon and Federation fleets were right there when the cloaked ship rammed Europa. Everyone knows about the cloak!
By Star Trek standards? No, you're right...it's completely in line with the worst of Trek.
You'd make a more compelling argument without blanket statements and more whys. Or...you know, an actual conversation.
Also waiting until the ship's crew nearly had it repaired (except for one piece of equipment), prior to arriving.
Suggesting that he was monitoring their progress, or he had a source of information among the crew.
At the least, he knew the ship was still there.
The war was started to unite the Klingon Empire against a common foe. The foe didn't really matter, but the Federation was near their border and peaceful (and in the eyes of the Klingons that makes theme easy pickings).
T'Kuvma united the houses and became a martyr to the Klingon people. So, you've got the houses united and a dead martyr they can say anything about. The last thing they need is Voq getting in the way of that.
Also the ship happens to be in their enemies territory. It's one thing to warp in during peacetime, it's another when it's a war and everyone is on high alert. This is probably the first chance they've had to recover it.
Klingons are bestial religiously fanatical cannibals who lost the ability to use a universal translater, have had cloaking technology and massive battleships for thousands of years before Kahless, no longer have any connection to the Hur'q, value their dead nearly more than their living and engage in duplicitous tactics and outright lies to start wars on innocents for glory.
One of them wants to be "New Kahless" and martyred himself lighting the galaxys biggest sunlamp to start a war to unite 24 houses that all collectively hate the sight of him and regularly beat his scrawny little ass because...reasons.
One of them wants to be "New Kahless" and martyred himself lighting the galaxys biggest sunlamp to start a war to unite 24 houses that all collectively hate the sight of him and regularly beat his scrawny little ass because...reasons.
Here's a summary of the situation:
- T'Kuvma ignites the Beacon and summons representatives of the other 23 Klingon Great Houses, but only some of said representatives communicate directly with him
- After some dissension, T'Kuvma manages to convince the other Houses to rally around him and support war with the Federation, and then sends most of their representatives back to Q'nos while he directly engages the Shenzou and the rest of the Federation ships who showed up
- T'Kuvma is killed and becomes a martyr, but his direct followers are ignored for the first 6 months of the war until Kol, one of the first to agree to follow T'Kuvma and one of those who returned to Q'nos before the Battle of the Binary Stars began, realizes that, even without T'Kuvma, his direct followers - and their ship - are valuable assets and comes back for them
- T'Kuvma ignites the Beacon and summons representatives of the other 23 Klingon Great Houses, but only some of said representatives communicate directly with him
- After some dissension, T'Kuvma manages to convince the other Houses to rally around him and support war with the Federation, and then sends most of their representatives back to Q'nos while he directly engages the Shenzou and the rest of the Federation ships who showed up
- T'Kuvma is killed and becomes a martyr, but his direct followers are ignored for the first 6 months of the war until Kol, one of the first to agree to follow T'Kuvma and one of those who returned to Q'nos before the Battle of the Binary Stars began, realizes that, even without T'Kuvma, his direct followers - and their ship - are valuable assets and comes back for them
Or just conveniently out of the way.
Well permanently timeline wise.
Territorial and trade war.
He didn't seem very happy about Vulcan merchants on his new world.
Why?
Why?
One of the lazy advantages of an "exoticized" alien culture is not having to convincingly motivate them - just have them grunt "honor!" in Klingon through awful dentures.
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And then everybody dies.
At the conclusion of the fighting part, there are no surviving starships left: the only parties that act in any way are T'Kumva (who gets himself and his ship killed) and Georgiou (who gets herself killed and her starship evacuated and abandoned). Everybody else just floats there as if, you know, dead.
So the only actual survivors are the ejectees of the Shenzhou. And they aren't telling the Klingons anything, about cloaks or anything else.
I mean, it clearly isn't possible for the battle to involve Klingon survivors at large, because then there would not be Federation survivors - those lifepods would be too easy prey. But no Federation ship can survive, either, or it would finish off the Klingons, or at least their ships. The battle must have been Pyrrhic in the very best tradition and the most absolute sense...
In all likelihood, Saru and his crew only reached safety when it was way too late for Starfleet to send any ships to the Binary Stars (which now were unreachable Klingon territory, and falsely presumed to actually be in Klingon hands) to try and get the cloak.
Timo Saloniemi
No?
No. We see several Klingon ships warping off like a minute later.
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