Held captive as a sex slave...

[Jayson]

Cruel and unsual punishment is forbidden under the US Constitution.

Though, they used to hang horse thieves.

MANRAPE and murder by convicts who should not be allowed to murder anyone.

There is a good reason to not give the state, the power to inflict savage brutality on the citizens, but morally some people deserve it. This guy and his wife, morally deserve to be tortured and given a slow death. Hopefully justice will be served in prison, by a good raping and shanking. To the both of these piles of shit.


Jason

 

[Trekker4747]

The more I read about this story the more pissed off I get, and it's not at this guy.

Don't get me wrong, this guy is a sick a depraved nutcase who need to spend the rest of his days ina 4x8 cell getting his face beat in. But, no, I get more and more angered bu the monumental and complete fail of the law enforcement agencies at work here.

How this guy managed to do this and get away with it for nearly 20 fucking years is astonishing.

How a convicted and registered sex offender to children managed to have countless, un-heavily investigaed, reports of children's nosies in his back yard.

How police officers have visited his home investigating these reports and never step foot in his backyard.

How as a lifetime parolee his parole officers didn't figure, see, or investigate enough to find out that something was up.

The system here has utterly failed on every possible and concievable level.

How his neighbors KNEW he was a child-sex offender and didn't investigate for themselves while children's noises were coming from his property.

How when the girl went missing he wasn't one of the firs places they checked or at least one of the palces they thought to check in the intervening 20 years.

TWENTY YEARS!

No one said, "Hey, maybe this guy made the 3-hour drive to this other town and grabbed this missing girl."

Jesus, the fail here is staggering, depressing, and angering.

Someone fucked-up in the head enough to do something like this? Given the fucked-up things criminals have done over the years, sure, I can buy it. That the law enforcement angeieces and persons over two decades sucked this bad? Unfucking believable and not something people should stand for. Entire departments should now be investigated, cleared out, and restaffed.

Dozens, possibly hundreds of people over the last score have failed, completely, to do their damn jobs!

 

[the Dagman]

The more I read about this story the more pissed off I get, and it's not at this guy.

Don't get me wrong, this guy is a sick a depraved nutcase who need to spend the rest of his days ina 4x8 cell getting his face beat in. But, no, I get more and more angered bu the monumental and complete fail of the law enforcement agencies at work here.

How this guy managed to do this and get away with it for nearly 20 fucking years is astonishing.

How a convicted and registered sex offender to children managed to have countless, un-heavily investigaed, reports of children's nosies in his back yard.

How police officers have visited his home investigating these reports and never step foot in his backyard.

How as a lifetime parolee his parole officers didn't figure, see, or investigate enough to find out that something was up.

The system here has utterly failed on every possible and concievable level.

How his neighbors KNEW he was a child-sex offender and didn't investigate for themselves while children's noises were coming from his property.

How when the girl went missing he wasn't one of the firs places they checked or at least one of the palces they thought to check in the intervening 20 years.

TWENTY YEARS!

No one said, "Hey, maybe this guy made the 3-hour drive to this other town and grabbed this missing girl."

Jesus, the fail here is staggering, depressing, and angering.

Someone fucked-up in the head enough to do something like this? Given the fucked-up things criminals have done over the years, sure, I can buy it. That the law enforcement angeieces and persons over two decades sucked this bad? Unfucking believable and not something people should stand for. Entire departments should now be investigated, cleared out, and restaffed.

Dozens, possibly hundreds of people over the last score have failed, completely, to do their damn jobs!

Yep. Yes indeedy.

It is even more disheartening to think that not only was this guy a repeat offender, but that his prior conviction was for kidnapping a girl from the SAME CITY! I mean, come on! Everyone has heard that criminals return to the scene of the crime. It's a fucking cliche. The cops there did not think to check to see if that had been done there before and then find that the guy who did it was out on parole? Just as a matter of covering all possibilities, they could have called his PO and told him to search this guy's property. And it would have been a minor cross-check with DMV to see that he owned a car that matched the description of the car given by the girl's step-father. If they had stopped to think, really think, this case should have been solved inside of a week. Not 18 years, an untold number of rapes and two children later.

 

[Jayson]

I have a question. Was it just as easy to do some of these checks on pedophiles in 1991 as it is today? I was wondering if the pedophile would have had a harder time doing this in 2009, as oposed to 1991. They didn't even have Amber alerts back then.

Jason

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

There is a good reason to not give the state, the power to inflict savage brutality on the citizens, but morally some people deserve it.

Yeah, but morals are more subjective than people think.

Some might think an abortion doctor deserves to be murdered.

You wouldn't turn over such a doctor to a mob you'd know would kill him. Tossing pedos in the clink and waiting for them to be killed by convicts is greenlighting murder. I'll take state death penalties over that, at least there's due process.

 

[Jayson]

There is a good reason to not give the state, the power to inflict savage brutality on the citizens, but morally some people deserve it.

Yeah, but morals are more subjective than people think.

Some might think an abortion doctor deserves to be murdered.

You wouldn't turn over such a doctor to a mob you'd know would kill him. Tossing pedos in the clink and waiting for them to be killed by convicts is greenlighting murder. I'll take state death penalties over that, at least there's due process.

There might be a grey area in some cases but it's pretty ovious that in this case,the guy deserves a pretty horrific murder. The grey issue's though is why we need a justice system but ironically the justice system is why we don't ever have justice. This guy rotting away in some cell isn't justice. Every breathe he takes is a huge injustice to the girl and the kids he created. At least if he gets shanked in prision then that is sort of the best of both worlds. The government doesn't get to play God yet he still gets what he deserves in the end.

Jason

 

[msbae]

And maybe it's that cold "Cardassian" blood in me--but this is why I think Louisiana had the right idea and rapists should not be allowed to live. I mean, if this guy had been executed for his PREVIOUS rape, this would never have happened.

I'm opposed to the death penalty as it is, but even with murder mistakes have been made and innocent people sentenced to death row. Expanding it to rape cases is opening a whole new can of worms and a much greater possibility of the innocent being wrongly accused and convicted. Plus, it's a disproportionate response that would remove one of the few justifications a lot of people use to support capital punishment.

This is just a general commentary about capital punishment in rape cases, not about this case specifically, though I would still oppose capital punishment, even as horrible as this crime was.

As a Louisiana resident who has met people who were raped, I'd have to disagree. In many ways, rape is worse than murder.

However, the law should be amended. Instead of that pussy lethal injection crap (which, BTW, was invented by Hitler's personal physician as a way to kill off even more Jews), I'd say we let the victim's male relatives take care of business.

 

[Pingfah]

Why do people always take these things as an excuse to start acting like a caveman?

 

[Cutter John]

Its a bit disturbing, riding through your neighborhood thinking about what might be going on behind those neat lawns and white picket fences.
I hope at least some good comes of this. i.e. it shakes up the justice and parole system enough so that this sort of crap doesn't happen again.

Death penalty? Well I'm sort of for it, but really only in the most extreme Jeff Daumer type cases. Its better to just lock them up (preferably in solitary) and forget them rather than going through the usual '15 years of appeals' crap. The only way they should ever leave prison is in a bag forty years later.

 

[Jayson]

Why do people always take these things as an excuse to start acting like a caveman?

Because justice isn't about staying civilized. Justice is about revenge. It's barbaric because things that deserve to be avenged, on this scale, are crimes that are barbaric, themselves. There is some truth in the eye for a eye, aproach to justice.
You will never get true justice because you can never undo what a criminal does, but if you can make them suffer on the scale of what they made their victims suffer through then that is as close as you can get in this world. It's what they deserve, unless there are circumstances that change the status of the crime such as mental illness or a child who has killed or accidental deaths, death by mother nature. Things of that nature.

Jason

 

[sidious618]

Because justice isn't about staying civilized. Justice is about revenge.

No, justice is about being civilized and taking action that is best for the community. Revenge is about an "eye for an eye."

 

[Jayson]

Because justice isn't about staying civilized. Justice is about revenge.

No, justice is about being civilized and taking action that is best for the community. Revenge is about an "eye for an eye."

That isn't justice. The community wasn't raped for 18 years. The community doesn't need justice. The girl and her kids need justice. What your talking about is keeping order. It's not about right or wrong but keeping society from fallen apart. It's important but it's also a flawed way of getting true justice for victims, because the victims just become another person in the machine, instead of a individual.

Jason

 

[sidious618]

That isn't justice. The community wasn't raped for 18 years. The community doesn't need justice. The girl and her kids need justice. What your talking about is keeping order. It's not about right or wrong but keeping society from fallen apart. It's important but it's also a flawed way of getting true justice for victims, because the victims just become another person in the machine, instead of a individual.

Jason

Sorry, mate, but that's how we define justice in this country.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

And maybe it's that cold "Cardassian" blood in me--but this is why I think Louisiana had the right idea and rapists should not be allowed to live. I mean, if this guy had been executed for his PREVIOUS rape, this would never have happened.

I'm opposed to the death penalty as it is, but even with murder mistakes have been made and innocent people sentenced to death row. Expanding it to rape cases is opening a whole new can of worms and a much greater possibility of the innocent being wrongly accused and convicted. Plus, it's a disproportionate response that would remove one of the few justifications a lot of people use to support capital punishment.

This is just a general commentary about capital punishment in rape cases, not about this case specifically, though I would still oppose capital punishment, even as horrible as this crime was.

As a Louisiana resident who has met people who were raped, I'd have to disagree. In many ways, rape is worse than murder.

However, the law should be amended. Instead of that pussy lethal injection crap (which, BTW, was invented by Hitler's personal physician as a way to kill off even more Jews), I'd say we let the victim's male relatives take care of business.

While I would still disagree, I could at least respect a well-reasoned argument in favor of capital punishment for the sake of protecting society or a similar rationale. But instead, nine times out of ten it's someone who takes a perverse glee in the prospect of themselves or others inflicting murder, mutilation, and torture upon the criminal that is often every bit as depraved as the crime they originally committed. Barbarism doesn't become more moral because you didn't do it first.

 

[Jayson]

That isn't justice. The community wasn't raped for 18 years. The community doesn't need justice. The girl and her kids need justice. What your talking about is keeping order. It's not about right or wrong but keeping society from fallen apart. It's important but it's also a flawed way of getting true justice for victims, because the victims just become another person in the machine, instead of a individual.

Jason

Sorry, mate, but that's how we define justice in this country.

I know that, but it's wrong. People like to use the word "justice" because it sounds like something noble is happening in these courtrooms. In reality it's a bunch of greedy or incompentent lawyers working in a system that has a bunch of bad laws or good laws that still don't help people and people being judged by judges who are biased in there liberal or conservative views or juror's who have there own biased views.

Basically a guy's guilt and a victim's justice amounts to a bunch of strangers passing judgment and shifting through laws that don't take in consideration that every situation and every crime is different and then passing judgment on them even though they don't give a shit about criminal or the victim or the accused and are just doing a job. The criminal or accused and the victim are just another bunch of people in the machine.

Jason

 

[Locutus of Bored]

That isn't justice. The community wasn't raped for 18 years. The community doesn't need justice. The girl and her kids need justice. What your talking about is keeping order. It's not about right or wrong but keeping society from fallen apart. It's important but it's also a flawed way of getting true justice for victims, because the victims just become another person in the machine, instead of a individual.

Jason

Sorry, mate, but that's how we define justice in this country.

I know that, but it's wrong. People like to use the word "justice" because it sounds like something noble is happening in these courtrooms. In reality it's a bunch of greedy or incompentent lawyers working in a system that has a bunch of bad laws or good laws that still don't help people and people being judged by judges who are biased in there liberal or conservative views or juror's who have there own biased views.

Basically a guy's guilt and a victim's justice amounts to a bunch of strangers passing judgment and shifting through laws that don't take in consideration that every situation and every crime is different and then passing judgment on them even though they don't give a shit about criminal or the victim or the accused and are just doing a job. The criminal or accused and the victim are just another bunch of people in the machine.

So, you hold that low of an opinion of the justice system, and yet you want it deciding the life or death of criminals? Or are we just talking about lynch mobs and vigilante "justice," because no problems ever arose from that idea?

The justice system is not perfect by any means, but it's better than mob justice.

 

[Jayson]

I'm opposed to the death penalty as it is, but even with murder mistakes have been made and innocent people sentenced to death row. Expanding it to rape cases is opening a whole new can of worms and a much greater possibility of the innocent being wrongly accused and convicted. Plus, it's a disproportionate response that would remove one of the few justifications a lot of people use to support capital punishment.

This is just a general commentary about capital punishment in rape cases, not about this case specifically, though I would still oppose capital punishment, even as horrible as this crime was.

As a Louisiana resident who has met people who were raped, I'd have to disagree. In many ways, rape is worse than murder.

However, the law should be amended. Instead of that pussy lethal injection crap (which, BTW, was invented by Hitler's personal physician as a way to kill off even more Jews), I'd say we let the victim's male relatives take care of business.

While I would still disagree, I could at least respect a well-reasoned argument in favor of capital punishment for the sake of protecting society or a similar rationale. But instead, nine times out of ten it's someone who takes a perverse glee in the prospect of themselves or others inflicting murder, mutilation, and torture upon the criminal that is often every bit as depraved as the crime they originally committed. Barbarism doesn't become more moral because you didn't do it first.

To me barbarism is like a gun. It's dangerous if unchecked because you don't know how it will be used, but it's not inheritantly evil. It's only evil in how it's used not because it has been used. I just can't get behind the idea that a pedophile being killed(if guilty and not mentally ill) is a bad thing. I guess you could say it's wrong to play God and I understand that argument from a pratical perspective but I just don't see the imorality in really evil people, being killed in really horrific ways. They bascially have brought it on themselves or would bring it on themselves. I know I don't feel bad that a bunch of nazi's got hung or that pedophiles sometimes get shanked in prision. Did anyone really care that Jeffrey Dahmer got killed in prision? These people have hit rock bottom on ethical behavior and there is no going upwards for them, nor do they deserve the chance to improve there lives because any happines they receive is a insult to their victims.

Jason

 

[Jayson]

Sorry, mate, but that's how we define justice in this country.

I know that, but it's wrong. People like to use the word "justice" because it sounds like something noble is happening in these courtrooms. In reality it's a bunch of greedy or incompentent lawyers working in a system that has a bunch of bad laws or good laws that still don't help people and people being judged by judges who are biased in there liberal or conservative views or juror's who have there own biased views.

Basically a guy's guilt and a victim's justice amounts to a bunch of strangers passing judgment and shifting through laws that don't take in consideration that every situation and every crime is different and then passing judgment on them even though they don't give a shit about criminal or the victim or the accused and are just doing a job. The criminal or accused and the victim are just another bunch of people in the machine.

So, you hold that low of an opinion of the justice system, and yet you want it deciding the life or death of criminals? Or are we just talking about lynch mobs and vigilante "justice," because no problems ever arose from that idea?

The justice system is not perfect by any means, but it's better than mob justice.

No I think the justice system is needed because you can't trust lynch mobs and vigilante's. I agree with you, I just don't think we need to lie and say that justice is happening in the courts. They are maintaining order and trying to keep the shit from hiting the fan but that's about it.

The thing is I think a eye for eye type of revenge is justice, but the only way to get justice that way by law is to create a system were even more injustice will happen because not everyone is going to have a code of conduct when it comes to passing judgment on what is seen as acceptable revenge. This means that unless the victim does the deed themselves,against the law and also doesn't overdo it and ends up killing a inocent bystander or someone who wasn't involved then it means justice will never happen for them. We can all pretend that pedophile going to prision is what they deserve but who really thinks this guy who kidnapped the girl and kepth her fro 19 years should stay alive? At least if he gets shanked in prison then the system at least sort of will work out in the end in a twisted way.

Jason

 

[RJDiogenes]

Why do people always take these things as an excuse to start acting like a caveman?

It just goes to show that the caveman is still just under the surface in many cases.

Because justice isn't about staying civilized. Justice is about revenge. It's barbaric because things that deserve to be avenged, on this scale, are crimes that are barbaric, themselves. There is some truth in the eye for a eye, aproach to justice.

This is completely wrong. Justice is about punishment and reparations where appropriate. In this case, punishment is irrelevant and it is the obligation of society to aid and support the victims in whatever manner possible. Justice is not about committing acts as ugly as the criminal without the mitigating circumstance of mental illness.

It's what they deserve, unless there are circumstances that change the status of the crime such as mental illness

Obviously, anybody who would do this is mentally ill, so you've just countered your own argument. You disappoint me, Jayson; you're letting your anger turn you into a Right Winger.

 

[Itisnotlogical]

Jesus god damn christ... I mean, I'm not a crazy executioner or anything, but capital punishment is the way to go for someone as demented as this prick. I don't mean lethal injection, where you don't even notice you died. We need a way of telling them you not only die for molesting a child, you suffer until the warden takes pity on you and ends your life. From watching various documentaries, I've seen people who have been on death row for years and years. Why the hell haven't they been executed already!? Wrongful punishment or no, there's much to be said for capital punishment IMO.