hectically Rich and responsible or serenely poor.

[think]

just listening to the AFX Twin song

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZWspGh6Nc[/yt]

wondering if people really like being rich and such seems awful annoy at times and such horrible fun if you will.

I enjoy my poordom but would It be enjoyable if I had more of the same problems as the rich or what

I do not like the idea that either poor or rich the persons are just totally bored to endlessly repeat their same mistakes over and over mostly unknowingly as well..

What do I do with these nincompoops (who's total life consists of the same mistake day in day out.. ?????)

to give them change for their growth just causes them to reach "new" levels of duh

still helping does not help and not helping is just as good as helping so ,,, focused balance in the harmony of life's pointless myriad of tangents is the ontological effective direction and purpose but still whatever ...,, or so what really right?

 

[Holdfast]

False dichotomy. One can be serenely rich and hectically poor.

The real problem you're railing against is not a function of wealth, but of misplaced work ethic. People working hard on tasks that are irrevelant to their net happiness.

 

[Kestra]

Being rich can be wonderful.

 

[Mr. B]

Given the choice, I'll take the rich person's problems.

 

[think]

False dichotomy. One can be serenely rich and hectically poor.

The real problem you're railing against is not a function of wealth, but of misplaced work ethic. People working hard on tasks that are irrevelant to their net happiness.

what is a work ethic anyway? but I see where people do work hard on making everyone be unhappy but if there were a way to make happy everyone with simple ideas or things would that really change anything at all?

for myself .. I am not looking for glamor or glory ,, or am I ,, I am seeking what ? to fill the space and time with things that could/might alter the way people feel with themselves while making others feel better as well with themselves and reaching the end of the turn of the cosmic wheel neither socially valued ideas of wealth or wisdom ,, nor either being any type of end in themselves as well..

I know people have agendas within their worldly affairs that matter ,, maybe? but where do the ends of the threads of life begin for the next living memory of things thereof ,,?

 

[RoJoHen]

Given the choice, I'll take the rich person's problems.

If you're rich enough, you can just hire somebody to take care of your problems.

 

[think]

Given the choice, I'll take the rich person's problems.

If you're rich enough, you can just hire somebody to take care of your problems.

problem ,, who to trust ,, trust anyone or nobody either way you loose the money in the end and there is nothing that is happy about the loss of money to someone who thinks they are "rich"

 

[Holdfast]

I am seeking what?

Well, that's really the key question, of course. We are all on our own mythological journeys of sorts. Deciding what is important to you - what makes you happy - is the first step.

Money is a tremendously useful shield and tool that makes almost every journey easier, but without identifying how you want to travel (even if you don't know the end point), it's pretty meaningless and life is filled by activity without purpose (that's what I meant by a misguided/misplaced work ethic).

 

[scotpens]

. . . The real problem you're railing against is not a function of wealth, but of misplaced work ethic. People working hard on tasks that are irrevelant to their net happiness.

There’s a difference between having a sound work ethic and being a workaholic.

Being rich can be wonderful.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q&nofeather=True[/yt]

. . . Money is a tremendously useful shield and tool that makes almost every journey easier. . .

A more succinct way to put it is: The more money you have, the more people you can tell to go to hell.

You may substitute a stronger phrase that “go to hell” if you so desire.

 

[Miss Chicken]

I am rich - at least compared to 90% of the people in the world. I would probably be considered poor compared to most Westerners, I have an income a little less than $19,000 a year but I find that I can live comfortably on it. I don't consider myself to be poor. I have family and good friends, I have plenty of spare time to spend doing those things that I love to do, so I can say that I am extremely rich when it comes to time (but not as lucky when it comes to lifespan - I have probably only got about 30 years left).

If I had more money I would only spend it on buying more books and as I can't keep up with my 'to read list' as it is I guess I wouldn't really need those books.

 

[Kestra]

I can think of loads of things I'd buy for myself if I had more money, but I'd probably end up spending most of it on others. Honestly, I think that's how money can buy happiness. By spending it on someone else.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I'd love to be rich. There would be a lot I could accomplish, from supporting charities to sponsoring the arts; but I'd settle for being just rich enough to survive without working.

 

[Mary Ann]

I'd love to be rich. There would be a lot I could accomplish, from supporting charities to sponsoring the arts; but I'd settle for being just rich enough to survive without working.

I'm with you, but I think you'd be like me in that you'd be off doing voluntary work as you don't strike me as the type who can sit around eating bonbons and watching Oprah all day.

 

[think]

this is where I am at I can sit here and improve my writing abilities and develop new arts and ideas and such or I can get out and volunteer at some local spot..

as things are., I spend lots of time writing music and wanting more things to create music with ., so, lets just say there is lots and lots of time and all I have are my delusions of impermanent to keep me from creating the permanent painting.

where do I put the next brush with paint on it or what button to I textiate to deliver my new thoughts but why would glamor and glory be so tempting really?

I am all for self improvement: they will "officially" educate me with a certificate or diploma for free I just have to get a job after that but work distresses me ,, some reason I think life is work and everything I do is my job at this point.. I have yet to realize otherwise.. I do whatever it takes as usual

mostly when out at a coffee house I will work on the endless scripts and procedures of sound-dialogical equations and tests of proved structured space actualizations., well I write in my own language of sound,,

really if i were rich or poor there would probably be not much of a difference between what I do on either end ,, pure harmonic melodies of balanced life and work..

 

[Jadzia]

This thread reminds me of the theory of self actualization, and related autotelism, where a person feels sufficiently internally rewarded by doing what they do, to the extent that they have no desire for the additional external rewards that (for example) monetary wealth can bring.

It is a state where the hard criticisms of the 'misplaced work ethic' begin to soften. To a person who has reached self actualization, work/effort becomes self rewarding, and opportunities for work/effort become opportunities for internal reward.

From a matured autotelic perspective, being internally driven to undertake high skill high challenge tasks is the route to ultimate happiness. And from this perspective, the critique of the 'misplaced work ethic' (and in a restricted sense 'activity without purpose') begin to look like merely an intellectualization of laziness, which is seen to obstruct the undertaking of such tasks, and is therefore an obstruction to self actualization.

 

[think]

This thread reminds me of the theory of self actualization, and related autotelism, where a person feels sufficiently internally rewarded by doing what they do, to the extent that they have no desire for the additional external rewards that (for example) monetary wealth can bring.

It is a state where the hard criticisms of the 'misplaced work ethic' begin to soften. To a person who has reached self actualization, work/effort becomes self rewarding, and opportunities for work/effort become opportunities for internal reward.

From a matured autotelic perspective, being internally driven to undertake high skill high challenge tasks is the route to ultimate happiness. And from this perspective, the critique of the 'misplaced work ethic' (and in a restricted sense 'activity without purpose') begin to look like merely an intellectualization of laziness, which is seen to obstruct the undertaking of such tasks, and is therefore an obstruction to self actualization.

Actually I did not notice that going on thanks for the insite into this thread.., (good to see you posting Jadzia)

the limited dialectical of self actualizations leave us fumbling for philosophical technobabblings transcending thought temperaments and emotional rheteric of feeling one with one yet nihilistic of knowing nothing, is wrong. (or right)

 

[MetalPants]

We are all on our own mythological journeys of sorts.

When I hear people talking about the journey that they are on, I am quick to remind them that we are all on the same journey towards the box.

And on topic- I am infected with consumerism and find my wants growing faster than my income.

 

[An Officer]

There is something to be said for a lean simple life... but of course, a lot of problems can be alleviated by cold hard cash. Having said that, I do not admire extremely wealthy people who do not give in charity. If I were wealthy, I would feel obligated to help friends and family especially, and would consequently no longer be filthy rich myself.

Wealth is for sharing, not hoarding, in my opinion, which brings me neatly back to a lean simple life.
I don't know that there would necessarily be much serenity in poverty though. Patience maybe, but serenity would be a tough act to pull off.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

We are all on our own mythological journeys of sorts.

When I hear people talking about the journey that they are on, I am quick to remind them that we are all on the same journey towards the box.

Fellow travelers on the way to the gallows, I think Twain said.

 

[scotpens]

As Thornton Wilder put it: “Money is like manure. It's not worth a thing unless it’s spread around, encouraging young things to grow.”

But sometimes nowadays, it seems to be worth about as much as manure.