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Heart Of Glory "Traitors of Kling"

Mojochi

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Kling? I don't know why I never caught that before. Is this the only time in Star Trek that Klingons refer to anything as Kling? What is it? Is it their world, which we all know is later named as Qo'nos, or is it their culture, or empire, or maybe referring to their people in a different way. In a deleted except from the original script, Worf uses the word to refer to the language too. I just found that mighty odd
 
...Of course, in the wider novelverse, "Klin" is the essence of being Klingon, meaning "traitors of Klin" are traitors of Klingonhood, analogous to traitors of humanity.

It's nice that no episode or movie actually forces us think that Klin(g) would be a location. Although of course it's possible and likely that many places (and people and vehicles) would be named after the concept or its variants in-universe.

Timo Saloniemi
 
As we all know, it is possible for a species to have more than one state or nation; at the present time humans have about two hundred, and they once had many thousands.

And if the different species in Star Star Trek are considered more or less like ethnic groups on Earth, we know that there are many historical examples of an ethnic group having more than one state or nation - in fact Koreans have two at the present time.

And there are 22 nations whose populations are Arab enough to be part of the Arab League.

There were tens or hundreds of independent ancient Greek city states as a historical example.

In South Africa the Boer or Afrikaner ethnic group was famous for having many short-lived states and nations. There is a list of about 18 of them here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_Republics

And sometimes there were up to four or five at a time if I remember correctly. The South African Republic or Transvaal lasted from 1852-1877, 1881-1902, and 1915-1916, while the Orange Free State lasted from 1854 to 1902.

And there have been times when there were four, five, six, or even seven, more or less "Roman", Roman empires at the same time.

It is my theory that over the centuries many splinter groups of Kingons have broken away from the original Klingon state, especially in the confused times after Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Many have united with or been conquered by other Klingon states or by non Klingon states, but a number still remain independent.

One such splinter group may be the klingon realm from "Heart of Glory" which seems to have very close ties to the Federation and may have a capital planet named Kling.

Another may be the successor to the Kligon realm in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and is inhabited by Worf's group of Klingons. Picard specified the capital planet of the realm in "Sins of the Father" when he said to set course for the capital of "the Klingon Imperial Empire", using the full name so as not the confuse it with any other Klingon Empires.
 
Could just be a different usage - humans in the show may refer to Earth as Terra. Then there's the Vulcan/Vulcanian thing from TOS.
 
Could just be a different usage - humans in the show may refer to Earth as Terra. Then there's the Vulcan/Vulcanian thing from TOS.
In fact, Humans are apparently the only race in Star Trek that have a name for their species that is entirely unrelated to the name of their home world. I never actually understood why humans aren't referred to by others as Earthlings. It's not a terrible term, & seems appropriate, more so than Terran anyhow, since nobody else refers to Earth as anything but Earth, least of all Terra
 
In fact, Humans are apparently the only race in Star Trek that have a name for their species that is entirely unrelated to the name of their home world. I never actually understood why humans aren't referred to by others as Earthlings. It's not a terrible term, & seems appropriate, more so than Terran anyhow, since nobody else refers to Earth as anything but Earth, least of all Terra
Perhaps they do something like that when speaking their own languages. For example, both Rumulus/Romulans and Vulcan/Vulcans are just human designations. Similarly, it is perfectly possible that in their own languages the aliens have distinctions for their own species and worlds.
 
Perhaps they do something like that when speaking their own languages. For example, both Rumulus/Romulans and Vulcan/Vulcans are just human designations. Similarly, it is perfectly possible that in their own languages the aliens have distinctions for their own species and worlds.
Right, but my point is that Humans are the only ones that are universally referred to, by other races (Even in their own languages) as Human, instead of a word which denotes their planet, like Earthling. I can't recall when, but I seem to remember instances of hearing alien languages where the word Human is still used

I dunno. I might be wrong, but it sure did appear that way to me, even as a kid
 
Also thought FASA and John M. Ford had it much better in regards to Klingon names, locations, and culture.
 
FWIW, all of the Vulcan dialogue in TMP was created after the fact. The actors were actually speaking English. The Vulcan words were created later to match their lip movements.

Which gives rise to Vulcan lines like "gib me yu troats". :lol:

Maybe all the Vulcans are Cajun. No offense to any of our Louisiana brothers.
 
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