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HDTV recommendations

Irishman said:
Element? Oh God no. You went to Target, didn't you?

If you haven't heardo fthe brand, there's a reason why it's not on anyone's top ten list.

Dude, if it's not too late, take it back.

You might want to be more specific - the guy is clearly happy so you need a good reason if you are suggesting drastic "take it back" action, dont you think?
 
USS KG5 said:
Irishman said:
Element? Oh God no. You went to Target, didn't you?

If you haven't heardo fthe brand, there's a reason why it's not on anyone's top ten list.

Dude, if it's not too late, take it back.

You might want to be more specific - the guy is clearly happy so you need a good reason if you are suggesting drastic "take it back" action, dont you think?

Well given that it could easily be a rebadge of a decent brand anyway, and given that it does what the OP needs/wants, I agree.
 
Nah, Emerson was.. ummm... how to say politely... extremely economical consumer product... before Wal-Mart came along. Kinda like LG would like to hide from their past when they were known as Goldstar. :)


AG
 
USS KG5 said:
Irishman said:
Element? Oh God no. You went to Target, didn't you?

If you haven't heardo fthe brand, there's a reason why it's not on anyone's top ten list.

Dude, if it's not too late, take it back.

You might want to be more specific - the guy is clearly happy so you need a good reason if you are suggesting drastic "take it back" action, dont you think?

Yes, read reviews.
 
Alpha_Geek said:
Nah, Emerson was.. ummm... how to say politely... extremely economical consumer product... before Wal-Mart came along. Kinda like LG would like to hide from their past when they were known as Goldstar. :)


AG

Actually,. funny story, LG as a company dates back to 1947. Goldstar was a decades-later acquisition.
 
Somebody *bought* Goldstar?? Excuse me while I pass out for a few minutes...

Eyeing the calendar to make sure it reads Jan 1, not April 1... ;-)

So who bought Gran Prix... I mean GPX? *chuckle*

Wow, Lucky was pretty ballsy to put that up on their signpost. Goldstar certainly had a less-than-sterling reputation for quality in the video marketplace!

Cheers!

AG
 
Stormrage said:
I went to Currys (an electronic shop) and I saw HDTVs showing SD programs. They looked terrible. My nomal tv had better picture quality. Is that how all them are? Since the vast majority of the programs out in the UK is in SD.


The Panasonic Plasma's have the highest rated SD picture quality.
 
Irishman said:
USS KG5 said:
Irishman said:
Element? Oh God no. You went to Target, didn't you?

If you haven't heardo fthe brand, there's a reason why it's not on anyone's top ten list.

Dude, if it's not too late, take it back.

You might want to be more specific - the guy is clearly happy so you need a good reason if you are suggesting drastic "take it back" action, dont you think?

Yes, read reviews.

If they are anything like British reviewers all that means is the vanload of free stuff turned up late!
 
I hope you're not suggesting there's no good differences between the off-brand el-cheapo sets and those from well-established brands' first tier products (like Sony, Sharp, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic, Hitachi).
 
^ What would be wrong with suggesting that? I think we've all bought plenty of disappointing or unsatisfactory crap from 'name' brands.

And it's not as if there's something fundamentally different about the way they're made or assembled, other than that the name brands probably get volume discounts from the East-Asian sweatshops they employ.
 
Irishman said:
I hope you're not suggesting there's no good differences between the off-brand el-cheapo sets and those from well-established brands' first tier products (like Sony, Sharp, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic, Hitachi).

Isn't that why some "First Tier" brands also own, or produce for some "El-Cheapo" brands... so the can have both markets, and make money off nothing but the name.
 
What are they to do with the panels and other components that don't pass QA rigor for their first tier products?

Would you suggest they dispose of them and eat the loss? They can't reseall it as their top-tier brand, because brands have images to protect. So, they sell the second-rate product to retailers who put their own private-label names on it.

It's not evil.
 
Irishman said:
What are they to do with the panels and other components that don't pass QA rigor for their first tier products?

Would you suggest they dispose of them and eat the loss? They can't reseall it as their top-tier brand, because brands have images to protect. So, they sell the second-rate product to retailers who put their own private-label names on it.

It's not evil.

I'm not saying it is, I'm saying that basically a cheap product and an expensive one can be the same one in all but name. And just because something in your words "passes QA rigour" it doesn't mean you're not going to get a shoddy one, and vice versa.
 
Zero Hour said:
^ What would be wrong with suggesting that? I think we've all bought plenty of disappointing or unsatisfactory crap from 'name' brands.

And it's not as if there's something fundamentally different about the way they're made or assembled, other than that the name brands probably get volume discounts from the East-Asian sweatshops they employ.

You must be one of those folks who also believe there's zero difference between a standard Intel CPU and a Celeron version of the same CPU.

There's usually a sizable difference in the DSP chips used on more expesive HDTV, and the cheaper brands. That's no to say that a good HDTV can be had for lesser money; but a $200.00 HDTV will not have the same picture quality as say a Sony Bariva model.

Yiou definitely need to look at the component info available regarding a set before you buy; b ut that said, I would stay away from ANYTHING 'Goldstar'. All their PC monitors are absolute crap, and I don't see why an HDTV created by them would be any different. Goldstar has sucked for 15+ years ;)
 
Are there any deep discount specials running now for 42"+ TVs? I don't care if they are refurbished.
 
Irishman said:
I hope you're not suggesting there's no good differences between the off-brand el-cheapo sets and those from well-established brands' first tier products (like Sony, Sharp, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic, Hitachi).

I hope you aren't suggesting there is no difference between the brands you mention above - Panasonic are considered higher tier than Samsung in the glossy hi-fi mags over here in the UK...

You still need to justify your original post, your reply was to a poster saying that the cheap brand TV he bought was producing in his mind extremely good quality and met his budget.

So your suggested action, expanded on from your later posts is "take it back, it is not a superior brand and this brand performs poorly in reviews I have seen". What do you suggest, that he somehow quadruples his budget and gets a Panasonic? Why return a product he is happy with?

Cheap brands do exactly what they are supposed to - provide a lower entry point to the market for people without money to burn, or who choose to spend money on other than consumer electronics, or who have families or responsibilities or lower-paying jobs.

Also, when paying for higher priced brands what do you get? As others have pointed out usually the latest technology in things like DSP as opposed to the previous generation as you generally get in cheaper brands, will the average non-obsessive notice this sort of thing? I can tell you for free they often don't.

As another poster pointed out whatever happens you are getting something put together by people paid a dollar an hour in China (thats the lucky ones) and often in the same factories.
 
Noname Given said:
You must be one of those folks who also believe there's zero difference between a standard Intel CPU and a Celeron version of the same CPU.

Does anyone believe that? Or do you think actually people make informed decisions based on price rather than absolute performance?

If you are building a gaming PC, or buying a PC for gaming, video editing, or other high performance applications, then no, you do not want a Celeron. They are also not FOR those applications. In fact if building a PC for gaming you will be SOUNDLY taken to the cleaners as you pay a massive, massive premium for having the latest greatest and fastest. That is your choice but it certainly does not mean everyone should do that.

If you are fitting out a small office and you need 4 PCs for general office work (Excel, Word, a bit of Email) and there is a difference in price of £100 between two models, one with a Core 2 and one with a Celeron, why buy the Core 2? No reason, just saved my small business £400, thanks very much!

Also as an aside - use OpenOffice instead of MS Office, save another £600 or so ;)
 
zephramc said:
You could pick up a 32" Olevia or Vizio for about $400-$500. I've owned a 32" Olevia (332H) now for about a year. Bought it for the bedroom as my 12 year old 27" Magnavox finally took a crap. It's worked flawlessly and has a very nice picture for the price (I think we paid $700 back then). My only complaint would be that it's a monitor only, no SD or HD tuner, but I have DirectTV so it's not that big of deal. The SD picture is good, the HD (720p/1080i) picture is great, and while the blacks are not as dark, the colors seem more vibrant on the Olevia LCD than on my 52" Mitsubishi DLP.

I bought an Olevia 332H too back in October '06 and have been completely happy with it despite initial concerns about buying such a cheap ($650) unknown brand. In fact, the people I regularly housesit for have a Samsung 48" plasma HDTV and, in my opinion, the Olevia looks better than the Samsung!
 
And cheap brands have long histories of functional and performance problems compared to first-tier brands. Don't be obtuse.

I'd suggest he do like I am...save his money until he CAN afford a better TV.

Those of us who CARE about such things as fit and finish, image quality, performance, etc, over price are no more "obsessives" than those who place price above all else to be considered "cheap-asses".

Don't be inflammatory if you don't have to.
 
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