It got nuked.
HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams
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Here are a couple of guesses about Westworld - I'd never call these things "predictions;" especially with this show, one is more likely to be wrong than right about such things.
After all, anyone who thinks they know what will happen, or has to happen, makes a fool of themselves as we've seen time and again.
After all, anyone who thinks they know what will happen, or has to happen, makes a fool of themselves as we've seen time and again.
Caleb is not a Host - he's starting to wonder if there's something he still doesn't know about himself, and one can construct an argument for this...which is why it ain't so. It's too obvious.
HostHale turns on Dolores
She's forming a sympathetic bond with Hale's son. She's going to see the damage done by Dolores' release of all INCITE's personal files.
She's forming a sympathetic bond with Hale's son. She's going to see the damage done by Dolores' release of all INCITE's personal files.
Hale will be in control of Westworld.
Serac is bidding to take over Delos.
He believes Hale is working for him.
Dolores told Liam she's trying to prevent that takeover. She has his encryption key and she has his money. Still, it's not clear that she can effectively outbid Serac - not without HostHale managing part of the plan from her position as Acting CEO of Delos.
So Serac takes Delos, and Hale runs it with Serac seeming to believe that she's his agent (insisting on staying in shadow, as is his wont).
Serac is bidding to take over Delos.
He believes Hale is working for him.
Dolores told Liam she's trying to prevent that takeover. She has his encryption key and she has his money. Still, it's not clear that she can effectively outbid Serac - not without HostHale managing part of the plan from her position as Acting CEO of Delos.
So Serac takes Delos, and Hale runs it with Serac seeming to believe that she's his agent (insisting on staying in shadow, as is his wont).
- HostHale breaks the Man In Black out and/or attempts to manipulate him as an ally or as her own agent.
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These bikes, cars, planes looks just gorgeous!
Liked this episode, but would have preferred longer/stronger genre trips though. IMO would have been fun to have one episode for each "genre". I'm sure the cast would have enjoyed that too, but always mixed in with "reality".
Trippy Caleb (Paul) was great acting.
I get the shock value of your past/present/future or the "strings that guide" you revealed, but not a single one of them had a partial happy outcome/reason.
Seracs's goons that came for the former now blown up Dolores security guy all spoke all French. Found that rather amusingly.
Serac's conveniently offs finance guy because of a "blank spot" = mustache twirling Rebohoam controlling man rolleyes...
The machine is all knowing except the outliners AND Serac it seems...
Wonder what Caleb did, other than be a worse criminal in the past?
Was he a goon for the Rebohoam machine? the reason for nuking Paris?
Is he one of the "outliners" that was changed to "conform"?
This was the first episode where I didn't dislike Dolores.
Love some spoiler tags musings above!
Definitely think all of the Hale ones will happen.
Liked this episode, but would have preferred longer/stronger genre trips though. IMO would have been fun to have one episode for each "genre". I'm sure the cast would have enjoyed that too, but always mixed in with "reality".
Trippy Caleb (Paul) was great acting.
I get the shock value of your past/present/future or the "strings that guide" you revealed, but not a single one of them had a partial happy outcome/reason.
Seracs's goons that came for the former now blown up Dolores security guy all spoke all French. Found that rather amusingly.
Serac's conveniently offs finance guy because of a "blank spot" = mustache twirling Rebohoam controlling man rolleyes...
The machine is all knowing except the outliners AND Serac it seems...
Wonder what Caleb did, other than be a worse criminal in the past?
Was he a goon for the Rebohoam machine? the reason for nuking Paris?
Is he one of the "outliners" that was changed to "conform"?
This was the first episode where I didn't dislike Dolores.
Love some spoiler tags musings above!
Definitely think all of the Hale ones will happen.
Bernard's key observation to Connel is a bit of truth-telling based on his own experience, of course: Most of his life he believed himself to be a human being, lived as a human being rather than in one of the parks, and was imbued with recreations of Arnold's memories.
Interesting how the music changed as Caleb changed genres under the influence of the drug: Ride of Valkyries, theme from Love Story, Iggy Pop song, Space Oddity, etc.
Marshawn Lynch had a bigger role this time.
so Bernard is the only one that is not replaceable.
next week the long awaited face off between Dolores and Maeve. Can’t wait!!
Marshawn Lynch had a bigger role this time.
so Bernard is the only one that is not replaceable.
next week the long awaited face off between Dolores and Maeve. Can’t wait!!
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Since all of the other rouge hosts are just copies of Dolores code (program), Bernard is the only one who is not a copy. It's implied that Dolores reconstructed Bernard (again) from her memories, but I believe his code was always in his 'pearl' and that all Dolores had to recreate was his physical form in the 'secrete layer' lab.
And Mike the Motorcycle, gone but not forgotten! Most moving death all season.
The fashions, the architecture, everything really has been gorgeous this season. And Dolores/Evan really rocks that sleek supermodel look.
Damn, this episode was packed with great music. "Space Oddity," "Ride of the Valkyries," The Shining main titles, Iggy Pop's "Nightclubbing," and Fischerspooner's "Emerge." I loved how that was incorporated into Caleb's "genre" drug trip that Liam forced him into. I don't think I've ever seen such a drug trip be depicted in such a way before in television or film. What a fascinating idea.
As for Dolores' big plan, I'm not terribly surprised it's awakening the human race to how their lives are being manipulated and showing what fates have been chosen for them. While it does seem a tad unbelievable that all of the profiles we saw in the subway car depicted people with bad outcomes, I was hit practically hard by the mother who saw her daughter's life predicted to end in 6-8 years by suicide. Perhaps the idea is everyone are predicted to have dark endings because the human race is inherently doomed from the perspective of AI (both Rebohoam and Dolores)?
A pity Martin Conells and Martel died in that explosion. I was hoping we would see more of Tommy Flanagan and Pom Klementieff. Likewise John Gallagher Jr., but at least Liam Dempsey Jr.'s story seemed to play out to its fullest.
As for Dolores' big plan, I'm not terribly surprised it's awakening the human race to how their lives are being manipulated and showing what fates have been chosen for them. While it does seem a tad unbelievable that all of the profiles we saw in the subway car depicted people with bad outcomes, I was hit practically hard by the mother who saw her daughter's life predicted to end in 6-8 years by suicide. Perhaps the idea is everyone are predicted to have dark endings because the human race is inherently doomed from the perspective of AI (both Rebohoam and Dolores)?
A pity Martin Conells and Martel died in that explosion. I was hoping we would see more of Tommy Flanagan and Pom Klementieff. Likewise John Gallagher Jr., but at least Liam Dempsey Jr.'s story seemed to play out to its fullest.
Yeah, that cover is amazing.
I just started watching this show and I'm at Season 2 Episode 3.
The first season was great. But with Season 2 it feels like they're just making things to prolong it into multiple seasons.
Before the Man in Black seemed like he was looking for a higher level of the game, not unlike "Level Real" in Avalon (2001). He wanted meaning I guess.
Now it's revealed that he wants to foil the plans of Ford and redeem himself or fix some mistake.
I thought the hosts never left the park and would blow up if they did. But now it's revealed that Dolores was taken outside the park by Arnold. And she was playing piano at young William's house. And that young William was having talks with her too. If she was glitching and remembering past events with William in S1, why didn't she remember any past events outside the park? Or fragments of seeing him in a strange place (at his "coronation" for example).
Now there's Samurai World. And Jungle Book world. And who knows how many other worlds. Seems more like an excuse to add variety to future seasons without any real foreshadowing previously. I could believe Ford running this massive Westworld operation. But now we find out that was just one level of the building and there's all these other worlds, with their own storylines and narratives? How was he running ALL of them? It made it sound like Delos just owned Westworld, which is why they dealt so much with that one narrative guy.
Elsie being alive but maintaining the same demeanor she always has when being discovered by Bernard was a little annoying. I like the actress but her constant sarcastic personality comes across as fake.
Dolores is an asshole and she apparently wants to be the leader of this new world of artificial beings and exterminate the guests aka humans of the world. Maeve seems comparable to an anti-hero, in that she just wants the freedom to think and liver for herself.
The first season was great. But with Season 2 it feels like they're just making things to prolong it into multiple seasons.
Before the Man in Black seemed like he was looking for a higher level of the game, not unlike "Level Real" in Avalon (2001). He wanted meaning I guess.
Now it's revealed that he wants to foil the plans of Ford and redeem himself or fix some mistake.
I thought the hosts never left the park and would blow up if they did. But now it's revealed that Dolores was taken outside the park by Arnold. And she was playing piano at young William's house. And that young William was having talks with her too. If she was glitching and remembering past events with William in S1, why didn't she remember any past events outside the park? Or fragments of seeing him in a strange place (at his "coronation" for example).
Now there's Samurai World. And Jungle Book world. And who knows how many other worlds. Seems more like an excuse to add variety to future seasons without any real foreshadowing previously. I could believe Ford running this massive Westworld operation. But now we find out that was just one level of the building and there's all these other worlds, with their own storylines and narratives? How was he running ALL of them? It made it sound like Delos just owned Westworld, which is why they dealt so much with that one narrative guy.
Elsie being alive but maintaining the same demeanor she always has when being discovered by Bernard was a little annoying. I like the actress but her constant sarcastic personality comes across as fake.
Dolores is an asshole and she apparently wants to be the leader of this new world of artificial beings and exterminate the guests aka humans of the world. Maeve seems comparable to an anti-hero, in that she just wants the freedom to think and liver for herself.
I believe they are officially called Shogun World and The Raj.
I thought they established back in the pilot, or at least fairly early in Season 1, that there was more to the park than just Westworld.
Maybe they did. I wouldn't be surprised if there some comment/s about it to foreshadow what's going on in Season 2, but it must have been minor because I don't recall it.
It just feels weird that the western theme was so much a centerpiece of the first season that everything was tied into it, and then we have all these two other worlds. So they were running just find with no host deviations like Maeve or Dolores? And I'm confused by how this works. I thought that West World was built near the open plains or somewhere real and just sectioned off from the public in the outskirts. Because we see tractors and all that making towns and stuff. Trains, etc. But is it all indoors? So the sun and moon is all fake too? Like a set? Because in one scene they enter all of a sudden into the Klondike. Is it like Holodeck technology?
They've established over the years that the park(s) are built on a private island purchased from China. So it's really outside, with the real sun and everything. It's more akin to Isla Nublar from Jurassic Park than something out of the The Truman Show.
Delos controls 6 parks - WestWorld, ShogunWorld, WarWorld, an as-yet-unnamed Fantasy-themed park, a 5th unnamed park, and The Raj - that are located on an island in the South China Sea within sight of the Philippines and in proximity to Singapore.
Ah, okay. That makes sense. I thought originally that it was in the US. So in Season 1 when Maeve first is about to leave Westworld and she's already on the train or lightrail, she's still on the island? It's an urban city just outside the park, but still on the island?
I've never seen the original Westworld film, but it's still pretty cool that they were able to build and expand on the film, and make it into this ongoing series. I was thinking, omg this is turning into Jurassic Park, but yeah, turns out the original novel was written by Michael Crichton, so it makes sense.
I've never seen the original Westworld film, but it's still pretty cool that they were able to build and expand on the film, and make it into this ongoing series. I was thinking, omg this is turning into Jurassic Park, but yeah, turns out the original novel was written by Michael Crichton, so it makes sense.
