HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams
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Either way, she robbed him of his autonomy and agency. If anyone had done that to her, she would've been livid.
Oh, wait. They already did and she is.
The business about a third of the dead hosts being vacant of data introduced a moment of something like "idiot plotting" into the episode -ie, the head of Delos security is too dumb to see the obvious significance of it. "We've lost a third of our IP" is all that occurs to him.
Well, they'd be a lot more likely to do it than STD is. It would take too much time away from Trek's focus on fanwank.Orville?
Poor, poor Teddy. He's the new Delores this season, he has a sweetness and an innocence to him, and he's slowly been discovering who and what he is. It's so sad that Delores doesn't see the irony in what she's doing, robbing Teddy of the choices that she claims they are fighting for. Someone else in this thread put it well, she despises the humans but is basically sinking to their level, while Maeve is elevating herself to something new. Maeve can be brutal too, but at least she seems to have some reluctance to kill those who are sentient (although as we saw from this week's episode, clearly she doesn't have issue with letting the non-sentient robots destroy each other). It feels like she wants to be something better than human. Dolores claims she does, but in practice she's rapidly devolving. I'm sure she sees it as a means to an end, but how can you claim to be a better species when you have not behaved so?
This show certainly gives one a lot to think about.
This show certainly gives one a lot to think about.
Delores is leading a revolution and she pretty much behaves like it. What she's doing makes a lot of sense in that context.
Which - when rewatching Season 1 as I've been doing - makes all of her experiences with El Lazo all the more interesting in retrospect.
My reaction has always been the opposite - I only care about what happens to the Hosts. For the most part, I don't have any sympathy for the human beings and they can go hang. Exceptions being, of course, the Man in Black, Ford and Arnold.
Which - when rewatching Season 1 as I've been doing - makes all of her experiences with El Lazo all the more interesting in retrospect.
My reaction has always been the opposite - I only care about what happens to the Hosts. For the most part, I don't have any sympathy for the human beings and they can go hang. Exceptions being, of course, the Man in Black, Ford and Arnold.
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Well, they'd be a lot more likely to do it than STD is. It would take too much time away from Trek's focus on fanwank.
As we know, every single thread that exists on TrekBBS is an invitation to remind everyone how much you hate Discovery, even if the conversation has nothing to do with it.
It is the TrekBBS. Why is it an issue to compare the current Trek with other shows?
Meh...I came into this derail behind both you and BillJ. Don't spit into the wind.
It's almost a defining characteristic of Trek fandom that, one way or another, everything is about Star Trek.
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Eye beams.
Damn, that means he's going to be a dick now. 
The difference being that her former oppressors were unaware, while she knows exactly what she's doing.
Someone has suggested that season 1 focused on the origins and rise of consciousness, and that season 2 is examining the development/invention of the constructed self - the ego. It's not completely clear how far along the first path Teddy was - he did not seem to be able to fully access his memories in the way that Delores and Maeve do: He had to be shown the recorded history of injuries done to him over time, for example.
Apparently Delores thought that might shock him into understanding what the stakes are in the war. When that failed, she chose to reset his personality parameters.
We'll see in coming stories to what extent that requires interfering with his memories and essential awareness - the two are overlapping but not identical. The ego mediates and constructs a narrative out of memories in the present moment.
"I could not stop crying"
Apparently Delores thought that might shock him into understanding what the stakes are in the war. When that failed, she chose to reset his personality parameters.
We'll see in coming stories to what extent that requires interfering with his memories and essential awareness - the two are overlapping but not identical. The ego mediates and constructs a narrative out of memories in the present moment.
"I could not stop crying"
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They knew what they were doing, they just never assumed the hosts would care, understood, were unequal or counted as beings. Really like all abuses of some group in human history, there's always some reason to justify or excuse it. The hosts were just the latest in the long line of people being abused by someone in power.
Exactly.
If what you see, hear and sense tells you that you're dealing with a human being and you treat that entity viciously and watch them suffer because you believe that their experience doesn't matter - they're not real, their experience isn't real, they won't remember, they can be fixed later, etc. - well, you're a problem right away regardless of what else might be true.
If what you see, hear and sense tells you that you're dealing with a human being and you treat that entity viciously and watch them suffer because you believe that their experience doesn't matter - they're not real, their experience isn't real, they won't remember, they can be fixed later, etc. - well, you're a problem right away regardless of what else might be true.
