Bernard being unstuck in time was a completely pointless wankfest.
HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams
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The real reason they do the "multiple timelines" thing isn't really for actual storytelling purposes, it's just to make the story look more shocking and profound than it otherwise would be than if they just told us the story linearly. If the S1 timeline had been told in order, nothing would've changed...
Really, it's Nolan's shtick to be up his own arse ever since Memento.
I have the same problem with watching Westworld that I do with the Expanse. My wife doesn't like it, it is not appropriate for my 7 year old, and I can't watch it at work because it requires my paying attention to it. It's hard to find a few hours that are just me time where I have the head space to take in a challenging TV show, and that is frustrating.
What "twists"?
And you can pretty much say the season was spaghetti with red herrings
Yep, and that's the thing. As a storytelling thing in season 1, it worked as when it came down to it, at least they had a good reason. In season two it felt more like they were using it as a crutch, adding even more to it and stretching things out as much as they could. When you peel it back, there isn't all that much to it.
Another thing I have to say is that with the way the story was done in season two, it if anything, lead me to feel more detached to the characters due to the complexity. That's I think the opposite of what you want an audience to feel, especially going into a second season. Dial it back some, and you have more of a chance for the characters to grow and become less of a casualty of plot conveniences.
Seriously?
Are you once again pretending that you knew what was goign to happen all along? The ending took you by surprise so much that you posted that you'll be dropping the show.
I like entertainment to be actually entertaining. If one needs the viewer to think, offer some sort of reward that makes it worth the effort. I had no interest in piecing together Bernard's actual timeline. Perhaps I missed something crucial by not doing so but I doubt it. I got the gist of what happened in what order and it wasn't that interesting.
No. I'm denying that Season 2's plot revelations were "twists".
Wrong. I was extremely disappointed in the resolution of the season's narrative and what I felt was an attempt to be clever that failed spectacularly and caused the resolution of the season to f fla flat.
The Chef's Special at the Westworld Bar & Grill.And you can pretty much say the season was spaghetti with red herrings
Calling them either "twists" or "plot revelations" or whatever you want to call them all amount to the same thing. Same shit, different pile.
I couldn't wait, so I bought the season and watched the first three episodes.
It's off to a great start so far, I especially liked seeing more of the early days of the park in episode 2.
Delores is getting a bit scary.
Did they explain back in Season 1 what Charlotte put in Peter Abernathy's head? I didn't do a S1 rewatch, so my memory of what exactly happened isn't real clear.
It's off to a great start so far, I especially liked seeing more of the early days of the park in episode 2.
Delores is getting a bit scary.
Did they explain back in Season 1 what Charlotte put in Peter Abernathy's head? I didn't do a S1 rewatch, so my memory of what exactly happened isn't real clear.
I agree they overdid it but I think the last episode justified everything.
Absolutely.
Westworld is more entertaining than any series I've seen in...god, I dunno, a decade?
It's not hard to keep the timeline straight, most of the time. Unlike the first season, they really didn't try to disguise the order in which most of it happened, other than the Bernard/Delores interview.
Actually, I thought some bits were rather good, including the interview reveal you mention, although there was too much violence for my tastes, and overall I found season two to be less than the sum of its parts. I thought season one more interesting because of the discussion of (some rather old) theories of AI and how consciousness emerges. What we learnt this time round was how much more potentially self-adaptable the hosts are than humans - it was stated that each of us need a maximum of 10,740 lines of code to render our personalities in a simulation - I doubt this is based on any actual research but it's not my subject area. I'd prefer the story be based on actual theories or hypotheses rather than nonsensical guff that the writers have made up.
I seem to disagree with you a lot, but on this point we agree. Like I said in my other post, I'm only 3 episodes in, but those 3 episodes were amazing. Usually after about 2 or 3 episodes of the same show in a row I'm ready to move on to something else, but I probably would have kept going with WW if I didn't have to go to work. Maybe this is one like Lost, that works better when you binge a whole bunch episodes at once rather than watching just one a week.
The only time I got confused in the episodes I watched was during the attack on Ft. Forlorn Hope. At first I thought the security guys finding Charlotte was 2 weeks after the Hosts rebelled, but then once I remembered that Teddy was found floating in the sea and that both him and Charlotte were at Ft. F.H. I realized that all had to be right after the rebellion started. But that was all on me, not the writers.
Yep, same here. There's less driving it forward. Hey, at least the Akecheta storyline was good, and the finale at least attempted to make some sense out of the craziness.
Just watched episode 4.
It was nice to finally find out what happened to Elsie.
The stuff with Jim Delos was interesting. I wonder how other people they've done recreated as hosts? It looks like there must be at least one more, unless Bernard built the control unit for himself. I'm thinking this must tie into Delos's big plan somehow.
The woman from the India park being Bill's daughter was unexpected.
It was nice to finally find out what happened to Elsie.
The stuff with Jim Delos was interesting. I wonder how other people they've done recreated as hosts? It looks like there must be at least one more, unless Bernard built the control unit for himself. I'm thinking this must tie into Delos's big plan somehow.
The woman from the India park being Bill's daughter was unexpected.
