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Hawaii Five-O: 1x03 "Malama Ka Anna" - Discussion and Spoilers

Yes, they are police; Chin Ho said as much to his cousin, and Danno said as much to the lady at the concession stand. Not to mention that McGarrett was able to administer Kono's oath as a new graduate of the Police Academy, something he couldn't do unless he were a police officer. They're a state police unit rather than local police, but they're still police.

And it doesn't matter how much authority the governor gives them, they'd still have to follow proper evidence handling and other procedures if they had any hope of getting convictions in a court of law. The protection against illegal search and seizure is a constitutional right, not a local statute; no state governor could have the authority to subvert the Constitution of the United States, and any governor who tried would be facing impeachment once it came out.
 
Christopher said:
Yes, they are police; Chin Ho said as much to his cousin, and Danno said as much to the lady at the concession stand. Not to mention that McGarrett was able to administer Kono's oath as a new graduate of the Police Academy, something he couldn't do unless he were a police officer. They're a state police unit rather than local police, but they're still police.

And it doesn't matter how much authority the governor gives them, they'd still have to follow proper evidence handling and other procedures if they had any hope of getting convictions in a court of law. The protection against illegal search and seizure is a constitutional right, not a local statute; no state governor could have the authority to subvert the Constitution of the United States, and any governor who tried would be facing impeachment once it came out.
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Im sure these are all valid points, but Hawaii 5-0 is hardly a down to earth, realistic procedural cop show. I think its safe to say the producers are going for Die Hard every week, and I'm more than happy with that.
 
Screecher4747 said:
Christopher said:
Don't they have rules for police searches in Hawaii? Searching that player's backpack without his permission might barely qualify as a legal search since he hadn't zipped it up yet, but it's borderline.
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It was explained in the pilot that they're not "police" but a special unit doing its own thing with immunity under direct order of the Hawaiian governor. So the Five-0 team can do pretty much what they want, rights be dammed, so long as they get the job done. It's a squad of Jack Bauers.
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And so far like the cover identities of Cooper and Burnett stayed intact for years on Miami Vice because the kingpin always died so far 5-0 has just arrested minions who would probably plead out before the evidence is excluded
 
The Five-0 team is supposed to be an "elite task force above the usual police jurisdictions" - from it's own Wikipedia page.

And, yes, no matter how much "power" they're given they can't be given power that violates people civil liberties or OR CAN THEY? ;)

But it's the plot reason I believe was established in the first episode, they've pretty much been given immunity and a handful of wildcards to do whatever they want to finish their mission. Much like 24 to get their jobs done they have to bust some heads. Many of the things Jack Bauer and CTU did would make the ACLU cry. And while I agree with the sentiment that such actions by government and law enforcement shouldn't be tolerated in the real world in the fictional world I'm willing to ignore it for the sake of the show. This Five-0 squad and Jack Bauer were (are) never wrong the people they encounter by the standards of the plot are criminals so we shouldn't feel too bad about their civil liberties being violated.

It's the fictional world. Roll with it. The actions of Jack Bauer or this Five-0 squad in the real world shouldn't be tolerated. In the TV world? It makes for fun entertainment.

I think the origins of the Five-0 thing is sort-of lame. Because Hawaii is the fiftieth state? They made have worked and made sense 30-plus years ago when Hawaii was a "new state" but today it just seem, sort-of, I dunno. Lame. It would've made more sense if they adopted the name after the fifth episode because their "record" was Five 'n' oh. Why they stopped counting there and not changing the name of their team every week? Umm because then they saw the connection between it and McGarrett's uniform.

I didn't much like that the "book 'em Danno" line was treated this episode and I think O'Loughlin says it with a bit too much "smarm" to it. He might as well turn to the camera grin and wink broadly and say, "Get it?! GET IT?!"
 
Another really fun episode.

I think Chin's cousin was being a hardass on him but I like how they didn't have a big, cliched reunion at the end.
 
DarthPipes said:
Another really fun episode.

I think Chin's cousin was being a hardass on him but I like how they didn't have a big, cliched reunion at the end.
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What I'm get is that Chin Ho wasn't just suspected of being a dirty cop but the publicity went much further. Not only is he being shunned but the entire clan is also suspected. Kono wouldn't have stood a chance as a rookie patrol officer even if she ignored cousin Chin
 
Screecher4747 said:
It's the fictional world. Roll with it. The actions of Jack Bauer or this Five-0 squad in the real world shouldn't be tolerated. In the TV world? It makes for fun entertainment.
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It's not fun to watch officers of the law engaging in torture and violation of civil liberties. It's just odious and offensive. If that's the way this show is going to go, then I'm not going to "roll with it," I'm just going to stop watching it.


I think the origins of the Five-0 thing is sort-of lame. Because Hawaii is the fiftieth state? They made have worked and made sense 30-plus years ago when Hawaii was a "new state" but today it just seem, sort-of, I dunno. Lame. It would've made more sense if they adopted the name after the fifth episode because their "record" was Five 'n' oh.
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I'm sorry, that doesn't make sense to me at all. It's totally arbitrary. Yes, the fiftieth-state thing doesn't seem as meaningful now as it did then, but they compensated for that by having it be a custom the McGarrett family adopted when this version of Steve was a boy -- which would be around the same time that the original show was on the air. So in that context, it makes as much sense as ever. It just took one more step to get to the police division. Yes, a bit arbitrary, but they're stuck with the name, so they have to do something with it.
 
I'm finding it lame that they had to do these strange rational gymnastics to come up with the nickname. I felt the same way with the lame and unlikely "Bones" origin in ST 2009.

It was called 5-0 in the original 'cause it was the 50th state's state police, period. It was never examined beyond that, there was no need. Danno was just McGarrett's nickname for his friend, period; no need for any "my daughter couldn't pronounce..." baloney.

And I'm with Christopher on the civil rights abuses and ignoring of procedure.

All that aside, the show just ain't makin' it with me, and my wife actually DISlikes it. So not even Grace's weekly bikini will keep me watching.

Oh well.
 
I wish they wouldn't put Ms. Park in skimpy clothes so much. I'm not opposed to seeing female flesh, but the way they're going about it feels rather sexist and disrespectful. And from a shallower point of view, the more I look at her physique, the less enamored I am by it. The poor girl needs to eat something! She's too scrawny!
 
Christopher said:
I wish they wouldn't put Ms. Park in skimpy clothes so much. I'm not opposed to seeing female flesh, but the way they're going about it feels rather sexist and disrespectful. And from a shallower point of view, the more I look at her physique, the less enamored I am by it. The poor girl needs to eat something! She's too scrawny!
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Put next to the rest of the model cocktail waiter staff she just looked like a skinny girl. Although the make up was a change from the surfer girl look. It reminded me of the opening scene in Nikita where for the life of me I couldn't understand why the thug would drop the two girls in the hot tub and ignore the rest of the eye candy when skinny Maggie Q walked into view.
 
All valid points, but we're missing the truly important issue here... Who's driving what?

In the Pilot, Danno was driving a grey Mustang, in last week's ep McGarrett was driving a silver Camaro, and this week Danno was driving it!
The only ride I'm straight on is Chin's Harley!

But seriously, I continue to love Danno's ringtones, but I fail to comprehend his (and most everybody else's) irrational phobia of putting pineapple on a pizza.

Until I went to college in the mid-80's I had never had pizza topped with anything other than pepperoni. One night I tried out the newly-opened pizza kitchen at the school's snack bar, and got curious about this "Hawaiian Style" they had on the menu.
One bite of that... well... the sky opened up, angels wept, etc. I've been addicted ever since.

Of course, it ain't real Hawaiian Style unless Canadian Bacon sliced ≥2mm is involved.
None o' that paper-thin shaved ham some places try to foist upon me!
 
Christopher said:
I wish they wouldn't put Ms. Park in skimpy clothes so much. I'm not opposed to seeing female flesh, but the way they're going about it feels rather sexist and disrespectful. And from a shallower point of view, the more I look at her physique, the less enamored I am by it. The poor girl needs to eat something! She's too scrawny!
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Yeah, I have to agree. I mentioned how skinny she looked in the original thread. Skinny's one thing, but she doesn't look too healthy. She looks like Christian Bale in Primer. Oh, and I agree about what you said about the hanging from the roof. That took me off-guard. Police officers wouldn't do that. Felt more like they were acting like criminals than police officers.
 
Not really many opportunities to say "Book 'em, Danno" on this show when they keep killing all the bad guys.
 
They changed it up this week and made it a question - "What are ya gonna do, book 'em, Danno?"
 
Screecher4747 said:
Christopher said:
Don't they have rules for police searches in Hawaii? Searching that player's backpack without his permission might barely qualify as a legal search since he hadn't zipped it up yet, but it's borderline.
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It was explained in the pilot that they're not "police" but a special unit doing its own thing with immunity under direct order of the Hawaiian governor. So the Five-0 team can do pretty much what they want, rights be dammed, so long as they get the job done. It's a squad of Jack Bauers.
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A high school kid under suspicion while at school, I don't know, wouldn't the police normally be able to search his backpack? Doesn't seem like that big of a stretch to me.

Tossing the guy in the shark cage? Well, OK, maybe....
 
Yeah, the search didn't bother me. They were in the middle of a police investigation and they caught the kid on the field (who they had planned to talk to anyway) receive a suspcious pacakage and put it in his nap sack. Aren't they allowed to search the bag since they actually saw something happen?
 
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