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Have you ever met a person who thought sci fi was too violent or even a tool of Satan?

By the way, never met people who think that SciFi is the tool of Satan or similar (probably I just don't hang out with this kind of people). I remember people who thought SciFi was stupid or not appropriate for children because it wasn't realistic or something similar. But this before SciFi went mainstream. Now I just know people who don't like science fiction but have nothing against it.
 
Greg Cox said:
That may have flown over their heads. :)
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Perhaps they protested after that the bondage elements had been toned down? People love talking about all the kinky things in the Golden Age Wonder Woman, but all this stuff lasted only for a brief period of the character history.
 
Skipper said:
People love talking about all the kinky things in the Golden Age Wonder Woman, but all this stuff lasted only for a brief period of the character history.
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I had the impression that it lasted until William Moulton Marston died in 1947 and Robert Kanigher took over the book. So only 7 years or so, not that long in the grand scheme of things, but a significant portion of the Golden Age -- certainly much longer than Batman's early violent period that modern fans love to exaggerate in importance.
 
Christopher said:
I had the impression that it lasted until William Moulton Marston died in 1947 and Robert Kanigher took over the book. So only 7 years or so, not that long in the grand scheme of things, but a significant portion of the Golden Age -- certainly much longer than Batman's early violent period that modern fans love to exaggerate in importance.
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It is interesting how the major accusation the Fredric Wertham in his infamous Seduction of the Innocent made to Wonder Woman (at least in the excerpt that I found online) was of converting young girls into lesbian men haters, without mentioning all the bondage stuff. So, at least by the 1954, the BDSM angle was a thing of the past.
The Lesbian counterpart of Batman may be found in the stories of Wonder Woman and Black Cat. The homosexual connotation of the Wonder Woman type of story is psychologically unmistakable. The Psychiatric Quarterly deplored in an editorial the "appearance of an eminent child therapist as the implied endorser of a series . . . which portrays extremely sadistic hatred of all males in a framework which is plainly Lesbian."

Wonder Woman
For boys, Wonder Woman is a frightening image. For girls she is a morbid ideal. Where Batman is anti-feminine, the attractive Wonder Woman and her counterparts are definitely anti-masculine. Wonder Woman has her own female following. They are all continuously being threatened, captured, almost put to death. There is a great deal of mutual rescuing, the same type of rescue fantasies as in Batman. Her followers are the "Holliday girls," i.e. the holiday girls, the gay party girls, the gay girls. Wonder Woman refers to them as "my girls." Their attitude about death and murder is a mixture of the callousness of crime comics with the coyness of sweet little girls. When one of the Holliday girls is thought to have drowned through the machinations of male enemies, one of them says: "Honest, I'd give the last piece of candy in the world to bring her back!" In a typical story, Wonder Woman is involved in adventures with another girl, a princess, who talks repeatedly about "those wicked men."
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Skipper said:
So, at least by the 1954, the BDSM angle was a thing of the past.
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Yes, but so were the Holliday Girls. As I said, Robert Kanigher took over after Marston's death in 1947, and he was a hardcore sexist who expunged the series of any trace of feminism and female empowerment, let alone BDSM. So Wertham was engaged in his usual fearmongering BS, criticizing WW for things it hadn't been doing for years anyway. Basically he was beating up on a dead man.

I mean, you can't separate Marston's BDSM from his feminism, since his whole philosophy was that women should rightfully dominate and that voluntary, loving submission to female domination was better to the kind of aggressive power conflicts that men engaged in. In his stories, men putting women in chains was always wrong, but women putting men and other women in chains was right, because they were doing it out of loving discipline rather than exploitation.
 
publiusr said:
This is what really sets 'em off now
http://koyamapress.com/projects/a-childrens-book-of-demons/

But a bloody crucifix? fine.
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Image number 2 will swear anybody off a Peter Gabriel video for sure, big time. I wonder if design was based loosely on imagery from that music video...

#3 looks like a generic elf on crack, big deal.

#4 is a garbage pail kid, so what.

My guess is that the people upset by that book might believe that silliness trivializes what's scary. Given none of the images correlate to known demons' visages, I fail to see where the big problem is. I'd still find something more appropriate for children, and electronic mediums for virtual coloring are easier to reset and redo than an eraser, as well as being better for the environment long-term as I doubt that book can be recycled and pencils/crayons replenishing themselves.

Now--this is what scares me
https://carm.org/why-did-god-kill-42-lads-merely-saying-elisha-was-bald
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I doubt their hairstyle or lack thereof had anything to with being mauled to death. The bears were very likely with cubs and that's when the territorial issue really steps in. That's far more likely than some of what that link's passage was suggesting. Especially in lieu of allegation of "baldhead", remembering also that the original texts were translated to English (case in point, and viewer discretion is advised: Ezekiel 23:20 (among others) has a few fun and occasionally inconsistent translations (some more radically different than others), arguably due to relative prudeness and/or intent of said translator of the time, which is also my own contextless claim and at least for that particular passage, numerous of the 20+ English translations are sufficiently similar, apart from the 1599 Geneva Bible edition (the newer ones are a bit more, as they say, "kinky") but I'm not going to compare every last passage in every last edition to see which one's the most different in scope); the only thing mentioned are people told to go to a place where bears mauled them to death. But I might use supposition and state the victims were male, what with male pattern baldness being an old trend back then too.

The New Testament, however, has been said multiple times as rendering the Old one moot and it's not like the Old Testament was entirely consistent to begin with. And it all only gets more complex and convoluted from there, and there are plenty of tangents I won't mention since they're too far away from the main topic. Current news outlets, for some, already covered the surface of those within the last several months anyway.
 
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